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  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering
  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Really! 😂 That sounds about right for someone who thinks that people are objects.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
    edited May 30

    Do you mean the article from I newspaper ? I haven’t read that so I don’t know what they’re saying the changes may be . It was elsewhere that they’re thinking one idea is to keep the 4 points but you pass is you get enhanced. So do you mean they could get rid of the 4 point rule but effectively also get rid of standard care ? So everyone on standard would no longer be disabled according to them . As you say on reassessment we can all lose a point . Thing is they can’t be that desperate to save money as what they hope to save from us they probably are giving to other benefits anyway. Plus the appeals will cost money and any court cases .

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    I think that is a fairly reasonable response from Kemi Badendoch. I'm getting some decent replies from my MP who's Conservative too. 😊

    However, it is self interest on their part as they will want to use whatever they can to critize Labour, as the Opposition.

    It doesn't matter as long as it pushes our issues with the Labour leadership's welfare cuts forward.

    Let's hope too that they may vote against the proposals, which is something they've hinted at. 🤞I've not asked my MP how he is going to vote as I don't think that I would get an answer!

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering
  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 156 Empowering

    scope site problem or just me ? ….

    i can't preview messages anymore using the drop down arrow

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I newspaper reports on the high number of red wall who will lose pip . Daily express reports reeves going on a possible £100 billion spree in red wall areas . So is this trying to but back the votes they’ll lose due to people there losing pip ? Would be grateful if anyone who can read the I newspaper article could screenshot and post please

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Hi Squirrel 🐿️

    That didn't sound as though it went very well for you. 😔 I am sorry to hear that.

    It's quite true that it's the luck of the draw on the day, with who you get, whether they will be half way reasonable or completely unreasonable.

    It is difficult, I agree to get the situation over to them with fatigue and in your case, pain. I hope that you might consider a suggestion from me.

    Over many years now, most of the 21 years that I've had M. E. I have used Benefits and Work. Their benefits guides really do help you to word your answers in a way that the DWP will accept.

    I'm afraid that their information costs £20 a year but I think that it's a small price to pay if it could save you thousands.

    They also do guides on MR and appeals too.

    Here's an article from the Fiancial Times that was put on here yesterday that you may have missed. It's good to see that they are backing down a little at last. It needs to be a lot more though.

    I believe that the suggestion in the article that ministers may try to use to pursade the MPs who are rebelling against the cuts to back down is very unlikely to work. I think that MPs will want much more generous consessions than that, with what I have read about them.

    I hope that you are not feeling too down after your experience. 😊

    jul1aorways xx

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,041 Championing
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,840 Championing

    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 75 EmpoweringMay 10 edited May 10

    Freedom of information request that was submitted to the DWP and a breakdown of who scores 4pts.

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    So this is good news for older people claiming PIP Daily Living!

    Four times as many over 60's score 4 points or more on Enhanced DL than those who don't!

    429,000 v 102,000

    More older claimants score 4 points or more in at least one activity on Standard DL

    53,000 v 11,000 teenagers (no surprise there)

    More older claimants score 4 points or more in at least one activity on Enhanced DL

    429,000 v 154,000 teenagers (no surprise there)

    Once again, four times as many over 60's score 4 points or more on Enhanced DL than those who don't!

    👌

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Morning juls,

    Yes it can be quite devastating if you get bad luck during your pip assessment. Even the dwp agreed the tribunal had erred in law . Even the legal rep helping me had never come across anyone so unlucky . Over the years I think the ordeal has calmed down but now we find ourselves back at square one as labour have given the green light to the assessors to terrorise us again. It’s the unfairness in the system that I hate . Anyone who had my assessor would have been treated the same as me as she had no compassion just an agenda to refuse pip to anyone and everyone.
    I read the Financial Times piece yesterday. I read it as they’ll keep the 4? Point rule but anyone who doesn’t get a 4 point but has a high score so get enhanced keeps pip. So standard is all but stopped , apart from the 13% who get a 4 on standard. Is this how you read it ? Passerby reads it differently in his reply to me above. It’s confusing to tell as I couldn’t read which post of mine he/she responded to as the comments reply section going a bit weird this morning.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,840 Championing

    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,283 ChampioningMay 28Passerby28 May 2025

    It’s terrible that they can remove points during reassessment. Mist conditions don’t improve, in fact they get worse with age .
    I definitely think there should be set rules as it all seems to be down to luck . Even the 10 year light touch , I’ve asked so many people how they’re awarded yet no one really knows.

    We do know.

    "The benefit ends so as to allow the reassessment process to begin."

    Points aren't removed but awarded under whatever rules are in place. DWP guidance is updated and shared after the event.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,644 Championing

    100 percent last year no way respond lol human nature funny thing starmer crying over reform get Jeremy in

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,644 Championing

    Exactly that's why everyone strike now honestly I think they will vote against she said a month ago on morning telly she would help push these through but alot has happened in a month

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