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Same here - must be a scope problem

Thank you for posting this bton. It just gets worse for them . They claim they need to take away out benefits due to this invisible black hole yet not only will they be taking money from us they’ll probably be giving it straight to other groups so the benefit bill won’t decrease at all , it will increase as we go to tribunal. Not to mention the fact that after realising that by trying to save 5billion they’re upsetting red wall so trying to bribe them with 100 billion. I can’t help feeling that they’re just bribing everyone now to vote against the disabled no matter how much it costs .

Retire in shame and under a dark cloud

It must be devastating. That really is the right word.

I had to fight the DWP all the way to tribunal when I first became disabled after being given zero points for DLA as it was then.

I didn't have to go though. I was rung up by them 15 minutes before I was due to go to say they had given me middle care and lower mobility.

That appeal period was absolutely horrible, though with no money and the swift deterioration of my health condition to deal with too.

Thankfully I've been successful ever since but I'm scarred by the experience so I really do sympathise with what you're having to go through. 😞

I believe that the Labour Leadership are terrorising us to try to demolise us again as things are going our way. Having just had the experience that you've had, you will no doubt be feeling very down and throughly oppressed by the system.

I don't blame you for feeling that way at all but however badly you feel, please don't believe that we are back at square one. I don't think that we are. They just want us to lose hope. That way they could win and we cannot allow that to happen under any circumstances!! 😳

I read that that FT article as saying that they will forget the 4 point rule but will raise the minimum amount of points you need just to qualify for PIP daily living to 12 from the current 8.

That effectively means that everyone who is at standard rate at the moment, will lose PIP if they can't get a minimum of 12 points to match those on enhanced rates.

I think it's outrageous, it's little better than the four point rule as far as I'm concerned. 😡 We must not accept a few crumbs off the rich man's table. I don't think for one moment that rebelling Labour MPs will accept it either!

I found that article in the i paper for you and I've put another one on for everybody from them which I think is really encouraging. 😊

From Benefits and Work site

Troubling picture of Timms emerges from meeting with campaigners

 Published: 30 May 2025

A troubling picture of DWP disability minister Stephen Timms has emerged from a meeting he held with campaigners from the Christian charity Church Action on Poverty. Timms allegedly walked wordlessly around a disabled woman collapsed on the floor in order to leave the meeting and did not send a message afterwards to check how she was.

Four campaigners had a thirty minute meeting with Timms about the Pathways To work Green Paper and told the Disability News Service that the minister would not listen to their arguments.

One of the campaigners said the Timms had gone into the meeting “with his foot stamped down” and when he was challenged with difficult questions he became “abrupt and defensive”.

She said: “There was no expression of warmth, there was no sitting and listening; he was expressionless.

“There was no change in his expression, that was what was odd.

“He just kept saying, ‘It’s going to work, it’s going to work,’ like a child.”

Timms told the campaigners that the cuts to benefits would cause a “cultural change in disabled claimants”.

“When we asked him what he meant, he said: ‘People like yourselves, with support, you could go to work.’”

This was in spite of the fact that one of the attendees, Mary Passeri, had formerly been a further education lecturer who had lost three jobs because she kept collapsing due to ger health conditions.

When Passeri, who had travelled three hours from York to be at the meeting, passed out at the end of the meeting it is alleged that Timms edged around the table and past the collapsed activist, leaving the room without saying a word.

Afterwards a first aider arrived, but Timms did not send any kind of message to enquire after Passeri’s wellbeing.

Passeri said Timms behaviour was “a good indication of how removed he is from disabled people”.

The picture that emerges from the meeting, if accurate, suggest a minister deeply devoid of empathy who has replaced listening to evidence with a blind faith that if only the reforms can be forced through they are certain to work. 

It is an alarming thought that this is the man who has already begun work on rewriting the assessment criteria for PIP.

Meanwhile, claimants and other campaigners will probably be better served by putting evidence of the harm the Green Paper will do in front of backbenchers who are still willing to listen.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/troubling-picture-of-timms-emerges-from-meeting-with-campaigners

Horrible excuse for a so called man with faith. They treat us with contempt and something they have trodden in. How has it come to this where even a little empathy is not even shown, disgusting.

It’s changes to the assessment that worries me . How can they find ways to make it harder ?