Green Paper Related Discussions

It must be devastating. That really is the right word.

I had to fight the DWP all the way to tribunal when I first became disabled after being given zero points for DLA as it was then.

I didn't have to go though. I was rung up by them 15 minutes before I was due to go to say they had given me middle care and lower mobility.

That appeal period was absolutely horrible, though with no money and the swift deterioration of my health condition to deal with too.

Thankfully I've been successful ever since but I'm scarred by the experience so I really do sympathise with what you're having to go through. 😞

I believe that the Labour Leadership are terrorising us to try to demolise us again as things are going our way. Having just had the experience that you've had, you will no doubt be feeling very down and throughly oppressed by the system.

I don't blame you for feeling that way at all but however badly you feel, please don't believe that we are back at square one. I don't think that we are. They just want us to lose hope. That way they could win and we cannot allow that to happen under any circumstances!! 😳

I read that that FT article as saying that they will forget the 4 point rule but will raise the minimum amount of points you need just to qualify for PIP daily living to 12 from the current 8.

That effectively means that everyone who is at standard rate at the moment, will lose PIP if they can't get a minimum of 12 points to match those on enhanced rates.

I think it's outrageous, it's little better than the four point rule as far as I'm concerned. 😡 We must not accept a few crumbs off the rich man's table. I don't think for one moment that rebelling Labour MPs will accept it either!

I found that article in the i paper for you and I've put another one on for everybody from them which I think is really encouraging. 😊

From Benefits and Work site

Troubling picture of Timms emerges from meeting with campaigners

 Published: 30 May 2025

A troubling picture of DWP disability minister Stephen Timms has emerged from a meeting he held with campaigners from the Christian charity Church Action on Poverty. Timms allegedly walked wordlessly around a disabled woman collapsed on the floor in order to leave the meeting and did not send a message afterwards to check how she was.

Four campaigners had a thirty minute meeting with Timms about the Pathways To work Green Paper and told the Disability News Service that the minister would not listen to their arguments.

One of the campaigners said the Timms had gone into the meeting “with his foot stamped down” and when he was challenged with difficult questions he became “abrupt and defensive”.

She said: “There was no expression of warmth, there was no sitting and listening; he was expressionless.

“There was no change in his expression, that was what was odd.

“He just kept saying, ‘It’s going to work, it’s going to work,’ like a child.”

Timms told the campaigners that the cuts to benefits would cause a “cultural change in disabled claimants”.

“When we asked him what he meant, he said: ‘People like yourselves, with support, you could go to work.’”

This was in spite of the fact that one of the attendees, Mary Passeri, had formerly been a further education lecturer who had lost three jobs because she kept collapsing due to ger health conditions.

When Passeri, who had travelled three hours from York to be at the meeting, passed out at the end of the meeting it is alleged that Timms edged around the table and past the collapsed activist, leaving the room without saying a word.

Afterwards a first aider arrived, but Timms did not send any kind of message to enquire after Passeri’s wellbeing.

Passeri said Timms behaviour was “a good indication of how removed he is from disabled people”.

The picture that emerges from the meeting, if accurate, suggest a minister deeply devoid of empathy who has replaced listening to evidence with a blind faith that if only the reforms can be forced through they are certain to work. 

It is an alarming thought that this is the man who has already begun work on rewriting the assessment criteria for PIP.

Meanwhile, claimants and other campaigners will probably be better served by putting evidence of the harm the Green Paper will do in front of backbenchers who are still willing to listen.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/troubling-picture-of-timms-emerges-from-meeting-with-campaigners

Horrible excuse for a so called man with faith. They treat us with contempt and something they have trodden in. How has it come to this where even a little empathy is not even shown, disgusting.

It’s changes to the assessment that worries me . How can they find ways to make it harder ?

Good luck at the opticians . Take time to rest afterwards. I think we all need to try and do something nice to take our minds off this for a while. This constant stress isn’t doing any of us any good

Like others on here, all this not knowing what they will do, saying they will amend stuff, then changing their minds, one day good news then next bad. It's really beginning to mess with my head and I thought I was quite strong willed. I had to phone mt doctor this morning as I thought I was having a breakdown last night, can't sleep, eat, or even think clearly at the moment, this government are a disgrace and should be held to account criminally in the future. And as for that Timms bloke, what a complete evil monster he is to walk round a disabled person who'd collapsed with no regard or empathy.

I have written to my mp and stated that I no longer care if he's for or against these cuts, I'll be voting the whole shower of them out next election and I told him how poorly all this has made me, but to my advantage as with any luck I'll now get this dreaded 4 point thing as my condition has gotten worse, mostly due to them. They are evil betond belief and I hope Karma ruins their lives too.

Sir Stephen Timms openly talks about his Christian faith, and he is Labour’s Faith Envoy and a former chair of Christians on the Left.

I want to know what Bible he reads as it clearly states to show compassion towards the afflicted. 

“We were desperate to get over to Timms that the cuts in benefits won’t ‘cure’ disabled people and suddenly make us employable.

“Coupled with the cuts in the Access to Work budget, which helps disabled people to work, it shows that the cuts were never about getting disabled people into work.”

I hope people understand this last part of this cut and paste, Labour knows that these cuts have nothing, NOTHING to do with helping people into work, they're just cuts that's all. What a nasty, despicable, cold and callous government, they make Thatcher look like Mother Theresa.

Someone is lobbying Labour to do all of this, my two cents is on Tony Blair but for a party to do a complete 180 and turn into such dreadful, spiteful people, it just stinks to me.

Likewise, I've had confirmation from two of the top spinal surgeons in the country that nothing more can be done for me to improve the condition, plus I have general failing health due to age and Crohn's. I don't know how DWP can think they are more experienced than these two guys 🤬