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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,831 Championing

    "with your understanding of welfare state maybe you could contact mps"

    You don't think I did 10 years ago?

    😂

    Who's telling you to give up? No-one.

    🙄

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    Like others on here, all this not knowing what they will do, saying they will amend stuff, then changing their minds, one day good news then next bad. It's really beginning to mess with my head and I thought I was quite strong willed. I had to phone mt doctor this morning as I thought I was having a breakdown last night, can't sleep, eat, or even think clearly at the moment, this government are a disgrace and should be held to account criminally in the future. And as for that Timms bloke, what a complete evil monster he is to walk round a disabled person who'd collapsed with no regard or empathy.

    I have written to my mp and stated that I no longer care if he's for or against these cuts, I'll be voting the whole shower of them out next election and I told him how poorly all this has made me, but to my advantage as with any luck I'll now get this dreaded 4 point thing as my condition has gotten worse, mostly due to them. They are evil betond belief and I hope Karma ruins their lives too.

  • Martinp
    Martinp Community Member Posts: 248 Empowering
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 301 Championing

    Sir Stephen Timms openly talks about his Christian faith, and he is Labour’s Faith Envoy and a former chair of Christians on the Left.

    I want to know what Bible he reads as it clearly states to show compassion towards the afflicted. 

    “We were desperate to get over to Timms that the cuts in benefits won’t ‘cure’ disabled people and suddenly make us employable.

    “Coupled with the cuts in the Access to Work budget, which helps disabled people to work, it shows that the cuts were never about getting disabled people into work.”

    I hope people understand this last part of this cut and paste, Labour knows that these cuts have nothing, NOTHING to do with helping people into work, they're just cuts that's all. What a nasty, despicable, cold and callous government, they make Thatcher look like Mother Theresa.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    It’s not even cuts due to lack of money. They’re throwing money around like it’s confetti . 5billion compared to what they’re throwing around is peanuts

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 301 Championing

    Someone is lobbying Labour to do all of this, my two cents is on Tony Blair but for a party to do a complete 180 and turn into such dreadful, spiteful people, it just stinks to me.

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  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Likewise, I've had confirmation from two of the top spinal surgeons in the country that nothing more can be done for me to improve the condition, plus I have general failing health due to age and Crohn's. I don't know how DWP can think they are more experienced than these two guys 🤬

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I’m sure the government leak info to see the reaction it gets . Like the leak regarding the green paper. They always deny but I don’t think the press make it all up tbh . I’ve seen pics of starmer with his mates , the press .

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    ..and this is why this whole thing is such a shambles.

    They clearly haven't done any research whatsoever (they obviously haven't even bothered to simply Google some of these conditions we're living with).

    With that in mind this is obviously (as we have all thought from the start) nothing more than a cost cutting exercise which they have aimed at society's most vulnerable. They won't tax the rich because there will be an outcry (and look at what the farmers are doing).

    I can't put the words I just said out loud as I don't want to get kicked off 😉 but anyone else would get hauled over the coals for bullying ill and disabled people.

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering
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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,831 Championing
    edited May 2025

    "Newspapers/outlets are contributing to the mental torture"

    As do forum threads which republish propaganda and fete dangerous individuals!

    (I don't mean you Passerby but generally)

    There was much less communication via social media when UNSAFE welfare reforms were passed in 2012 and again in 2016 but misinformation was the default position and I can see it happening again.

    Community groups, mental health campaigners, charities, advice centres, newspapers are provided with just enough information and/or funding to make a difference at a local level but no more. Any group or forum can be infiltrated and led astray. I strongly suspected that the guy organising protests outside my job centre was a double-agent for reasons I won't go into. John Pring was warned he'd get no more briefings from DWP if he didn't drop the "secret plans to scrap ESA regs 29 and 35" story. Members tell me those reforms happened a long time ago *yawn* 😴 and others demand proof with links. When I joined this forum someone told me there was no evidence that DWP spies here 🤣

    Critical changes to working-age benefits began on April 2013 and they are as relevant now as they were then. We are still skirting around the edges. War on Welfare is donkeys years old but we're in danger of being kept from the truth by our own doing!

    I won't swamp this thread with past Green Papers but I recommend a good look so we can have meaningful discussion on this thread..

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 301 Championing

    What does Labour and co think will happen to people who will lose their benefits? Not everyone who is disabled is immobile, people will resort to criminality such as shoplifting to feed themselves and or their loved ones, shoplifting is already on the rise even with Pensioners.

    This saga will be a stain on the Labour party and it will take a generation to wash off if it ever does. This is the worst government in my lifetime and Reform/Farage will be even worse but don't worry Immigration will go down, do you think immigration will be the most important thing a disabled person will think about as he or she suffers further cuts to their benefits from Farage backed by Labour and the Telegraph, Sun and Daily Mail?

    Don't vanish, don't give up and don't crawl into a corner waving the white flag, be a thorn in their sides, never forget the contempt they showed us, reciprocate it, don't cry, don't waste your tears on people who wouldn't waste theirs on us.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,159 Championing

    Very, very worrying indeed that this is the man who will be rewriting the assessment criteria for PIP.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    What I meant was to see how much backlash things will get as they need this to pass the vote. They are far worse than the Tory’s imo . Just pure evil and I don’t think this is about saving money. The amount saved would be a tiny amount compared to what they’re spending.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Disability talk with Steve has a video out regarding Timms and the lady who took ill at the meeting. Timms needs sacking . This should be all over the msm . Sorry I can’t link but I’m sure someone will

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    Found the link for you, hope it works okay😊

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h90OoBrZd3s

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Thanks Charlie, It’s so disgusting I don’t know how he hasn’t been sacked

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi all,

    I’ve been sending to article regarding Timms to starmer , Corbyn, Badenoch so far . I think tmrw I’ll look up John McDonnell. It may be a good idea for us to send it to them to make them aware this is not acceptable to us. Obviously msm covering it up .

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