Green Paper Related Discussions

I believe great things are happening behind closed doors movement for red wall Corbyn McDonnell and all real labour mps there is still some who believe in its core values watch this space

Catherine I saw this earlier and thought of you 😀. Everywhere it’s saying starmers days are numbered. I know people say the Labour Party don’t oust their PMs like the Tory’s do but I think these are different circumstances now .

just seen this in the sun

@WhatThe - whilst I can agree with one of your previous comments, but only in part (who has 'demanded' proof with links? I might have, I hoped, politely asked, that's all, & the better to understand - links help, & then a member will draw their own conclusion - so that comment of yours, as you're completely aware, is untrue).

I do however agree that republishing propaganda may contribute to the 'mental torture' that some members might be putting themselves through. Everyone is trying to help tho, & will do so in their own way. Sharing what they've read in the media isn't trying to 'misinform' anyone else, & many members try to counter misinformation anyway.

I've got very real concerns about misinformation spreading to the forum, & have done for years, but if you mistrust everyone & every source, as I hope to only use those I find are verifiable, then you & I are never going to agree on that one.

I don't doubt you that previous reforms have gradually led to where we are today, but members are trying to concentrate on this Green Paper, as yes, there was comparitively 'much less communication by social media in 2012 & 2016'; some members may not even have been using the internet all those years ago.

As to your 2nd comment, I think the idea was not to take a GP's 'power' away over 'fit' notes, rather acknowledging that this takes time out of a GP's day helping their patients with their medical problems, that it could be seen as a conflict of interest, & that other Healthcare Professionals might be in a better position to evaluate could a person return to work with sometimes reasonable adjustments, for example?

And 'no' the 'authority' to give out a fit note was not 'shared with any old 'health professional' you've never met,' rather the opposite, as you needed to be their patient too. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other Healthcare Professionals have only been able to write 'fit' notes since April 2024 (should they wish) as I remember mentioning this on the forum. But don't take my word for it: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-to-overhaul-benefits-system-and-tackle-britains-sick-note-culture-in-welfare-reform-speech

& a comment from May 2024: https://bjgplife.com/what-drives-the-sick-note-culture-in-the-uk/

but yes, this is certainly thinking about getting people back into work, tho it's not relevant for PIP which is a disability benefit.

I'm unsure how a WCA could be initiated without a fit note?

i'd never thought we'd see the day that we'd get the Tories as allies.

yes I saw that too