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Tbh, the same fingers on a keyboard which are the same fingers on the trigger of a shotgun I find abhorrent. No interest, whatsoever, in engaging and no need to defend my position. Probably US based but hey, they're all over the place. Likely climate change conspiracy theorists.
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This the is the group inside the Labour party who are behind the cuts:
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I'm the same. And as long as the criteria remains roughly similar to what it is now I will fight for my 4 points rights when it comes to it! 💪
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So far the government's 'olive branch' to Labour MPs planning to rebel isn't going down v well.
"I can't believe that's it," one MP says.
“Small tweaks here and there won’t be enough. As long as the welfare reforms punish the most vulnerable, they’ll face opposition,” another tells me.
Labour MP Rachel Maskell told @politico : “I'll have to vote against something which will cause such harm to my constituents - too many lives will be put at risk if they press ahead.”
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Omg yes 😂
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Me too but what worries me is talk of looking at the assessments . I hope they aren’t planning on making the 4 point question closer to the 8 point questions.
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I couldn’t even see any tweaks apart from TP of 13 weeks . If anything they’re changing less than originally expected ie enhanced no need for 4 points.
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Sorry to be like Columbo but I can't get my head around this pip olive branch nonsense.
Labour are trying to scrap the work capability assessment meaning no more Universal Credit health elements so unless there's an intermediate benefit those who will lose pip will have to look for work or face sanctions.
This is disastrous and unworkable.
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It’s the worse part to me . Surely to claim uc basic you have to declare yourself as fit and looking for work . What’s happens when we say we can’t work?
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It makes you feel sick and VERY angry, although I'm not one bit surprised by the low depths of depravity big business and government get up to. In a few years time, just like the post office scandal, and deaths that were related to it will come out as well about benefit related deaths that are still being kept quiet. There should be public outrage and court cases brought against all those in past and present governments who were responsible for wefare 'reforms' that caused deaths due to poverty or suicides. Reading this makes me all the more determined to fight this evil clan of no-hopers, I'll fight them to the bitter end, even if these changes do come in (likely) I'm never giving up what I'm legally entitled to, I'll fight it right up until tribunal stage to keep my PIP and LCWRA or health element as it will be renamed.
Even though my pip is not up for reassessment until 2029 I'm already preparing for worse case scenario of not getting 4 points and have printed out a revised version from my last review for daily living components to get 4 points or above. In 2 of my last descriptors I should have gotten at least 4 points but they gave me 2, but like many people because I got standard rate like before didn't challenge it incase I lost eveything. I WON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE AGAIN!! I would advise others to do the same, have a look at your last assessment record which they send you and see how many points you got for each element, and if you beleive it should be 4 or more points, appeal it next time, and don't give in!!
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This just on the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80k8v4043vo.amp
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I just listened to this article and it's shocking. Labour are for the working people not for disabled on benefits it said absolutely shocking and disgusting from a Government
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From Benefits and Work site
NewsWill Kendall’s concessions win over Labour rebels?
Published: 13 June 2025
Liz Kendall has offered three concessions to Labour rebels unhappy about the Green Paper cuts. But will they be enough to sway a significant number of dismayed MPs?
The concessions
The Guardian reports that Kendall has offered the following to Labour rebels:
13 weeks payment of PIP for claimants who lose their award because of the 4-point rule.
The “right to work” scheme for those on health and disability benefits will be introduced at the same time as the bill.
“Non-negotiable” protections for the most vulnerable benefits recipients will be on the face of the new bill.
13 week payment
Usually, claimants who lose their award because of rule changes by the DWP might expect to receive payments for 4 weeks, after being found to be no longer eligible.
13 weeks is more “generous” but of little practical use, as few claimants will be able to apply for other benefits or secure employment in that time. As a concession, it seems ineffective.
Right to work scheme
The right to work scheme appears to be a reference to the idea outlined at para 126 of the Pathways to Work Green Paper that claimants can try work without worrying about losing benefits:
“. . . we will introduce legislation that guarantees that trying work will not be considered a relevant change of circumstance that will trigger a PIP award review or WCA reassessment. We will make these changes as soon as possible, so that they apply in the current system and as well as in the reformed system.”
It appears that this will be introduced in separate legislation to the bill imposing the 4-point PIP rule, but at the same time.
This is a move that is likely to be welcomed by most MPs. But as the government had already said they would make this change “as soon as possible” it is, at best, a very minor concession.
Protections for the most vulnerable
According to the Guardian, Kendall has said there will be “non-negotiable” protections for the most vulnerable benefits recipients on the face of the welfare reform bill, when it is published next week.
Para 42 of the Green Paper explains that:
“. . . for those receiving the new reduced UC health element after April 2026, we are proposing that those with the most severe, life-long health conditions, who have no prospect of improvement and will never be able to work, will see their incomes protected through an additional premium.[ We will also guarantee that for both new and existing claims, those in this group will not need to be reassessed in future”
(Note: the additional premium will not be payable to current claimants as they will not have their LCWRA element reduced in the same way as new claimants from April 2026). This very probably – though not definitely - means that the DWP severe conditions criteria are to be put into law.
These are guidelines already used by the DWP to reduce the need for reassessment of universal credit claimants who have been found to have limited capability for work related activity (LCWRA) and whose condition will not improve.
How the severe conditions criteria work
A clamant has to meet one of the LCWRA criteria. You can find a list of the criteria here.
In addition, all of the following criteria need to be met:
The level of function would always meet LCWRA. So, conditions that vary in severity may not meet this requirement.
It must be a lifelong condition, once diagnosed. So, conditions which might be cured by transplant/ surgery/treatments or conditions which might resolve will not meet this requirement. This should be based on currently available treatment on the NHS.
No realistic prospect of recovery of function. So, for example, a person within the first 12 months following a significant stroke may recover function during rehabilitation, and would thus probably not be eligible.
Unambiguous condition. A recognised medical diagnosis must have been made.
If a claimant meets all these criteria they will be classed as having a severe, lifelong health condition and will not be subject to reassessment.
You can find further details of the severe conditions criteria in the WCA Handbook.
However, this provision was already set out in the Green Paper and due to be introduced by April 2026, in any case. So it seems to be less of a concession and more of an earlier inclusion in the legislation than had been planned.
Money Bill
Putting this concession “on the face of the bill” may have one important effect, however. Elsewhere, we have discussed the possibility that Labour will seek to make its bill a money bill, meaning it cannot be altered by the House of Lords.
However, if the clearly non-financial severe conditions criteria are put in the bill, this would seem to make it less likely that this would be an option for Labour.
Will these concessions be enough?
None of these concessions affect the main issue that Labour rebels are unhappy about, the removal of the standard rate of the daily living component of PIP from hundreds of thousands of claimants.
So, it seems unlikely that many will be swayed by what are fairly token offers, especially as two of them were to be introduced anyway.
However, Kendall appears to have confirmed that the controversial bill will be published next week and so the first vote is likely to take place at the beginning of July, come what may. (There’s more on how the bill will progress here).
So, we won’t have long to wait before we find out.
In the meantime, it might be worth letting your MP know whether these concessions will make a significant difference to your own circumstances, because it is now all about the battle for the support of potentially rebellious MPs.
As Guardian columnist Francis Ryan pointed out: “If you see briefings like this in the coming days and maybe think “I’ve heard this before”, remember that Kendall is not trying to inform the worried public - she’s trying to woo rebellious backbencher. That’s what the next few weeks are about for ministers.”
And for claimants and campaigners too.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/will-kendall%E2%80%99s-concessions-win-over-labour-rebels
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When I watch anything to do with these proposed changes they talk about money first. Never say about Disability and helping those in need first. A few hundred people are about to ruin over a million people lives so that they can say at the next election we saved this amount. They are the worse mp in history.
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They have made it perfectly clear they don’t see disabled people as part of society, they will in a couple of years begin to see a lot more of us on the streets and homeless, I hope when they do see us they feel like the scum they are.
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I don’t understand any of it . The protection for severe conditions sounds good but I am already on lcwra from esa . Haven’t had an assessment in years . Have arthritis fibromyalgia and ME which are all incurable yet I still get pip assessed instead of the 10 year award . Unless they are saying this criteria is set in stone for us all with incurable and untreatable conditions it will again be down to luck on the day as to who you get as your assessor
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I’m the same with Spinal Stenosis, it’s caused scoliosis and it’s only going to keep getting worse, severe nerve damage down right side. Also have deformed legs and arms and osteoarthritis in every joint in my body. I can’t walk more than a couple of meters and am housebound. Had a 7 year reward cut down to 3 years, I’m never going to get better so really I have just over a year left before my life is practically over. I can’t believe they are doing this, every day I think how can they do this to us.
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I’m really hoping the lifelong conditions part is dependent on conditions and not what the assessor says . If they’re saying it’s non negotiable then it should be that incurable and untreatable conditions automatically pass
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That's like me , I haven't had a assessment in 6 years in November , so I will be 4 years overdue.... Technically I've never been assessed for lcwra as I moved over from ESA and before have always been assessed with a ESA50 , although that's the same for everybody who's being migrated over to UC .....the lcwra assesment is supposed to be almost identical ..... Everyone will get assessed through a UC50 from now on ....Because I'm on cbesa and lcwra the uc50 covers both .... Assessments are starting properly in April 2026 by all accounts , there concentrating on conditions that may have gotten better ( they will count most people as that though 🤷 ) and people who qualified for lcwra through serve risk
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