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I don't know how they would get round it, Iv'e said before about someone else finding an article on other sites, online media etc about this money bill. U.C and pip were never meant to be money bills but policy bills, so the government can't just decide they are now money bills just because they want them to be. I might be wrong, i'm no legal expert, but ever since I first heard about this weeks ago I can't find any solid evidence it can be done or that labour have said they are planning to do so (which they can't). I seem to post the same response to this every week and somebody else posts, well this is what I found online (not meaning yourself). If people want to worry themselves about it, fine, but again for clarification here is what I found, wether by google, Chatgpt, ringing Scope and CAB, who knows maybe they are all wrong and online media is correct as they are soooo reliable.

Were UC and PIP introduced via Money Bills?

No, Universal Credit (introduced by the Welfare Reform Act 2012) and PIP (also under the same Act) were not passed as Money Bills. They were part of wider welfare reform legislation, which included policy changes, eligibility rules, and conditionality frameworks — not just public spending or taxation. Therefore, they went through the full legislative process, including scrutiny and amendments in the House of Lords.

Can a new reform (e.g., 'Pathways to Work') be passed as a Money Bill?

Only if:

• The provisions are entirely about taxation or public expenditure, without policy elements.
• It does not change eligibility rules, sanctions, conditions, or rights of claimants (which would make it a policy bill).

If the reforms involve changing how benefits are awarded, adding new conditions, or changing entitlements (like mandatory engagement for LCWRA or PIP claimants), then it's likely a policy bill — not eligible to be treated as a Money Bill.

@secretsquirrel1

Hi am hanging in by a thread like most of us are but I am trying very hard to distract myself and not let this consume my mind.

I refuse to let that happen until we hear an official announcement about just exactly how this is going to affect us all and who they regard as having the most severe conditions to still qualify for disability benefits.

I hope you are reasonably okay but I realise that all of this is taking its toll on you.

Take care. X

This is kier starmers corrupt labour would anything they do surprise you ? they wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they put it through as a money bill

This is on X she is a absolute disgrace

I’m also trying to relax as I can’t keep stressing out . It’s all so confusing I don’t even know what I’m actually worrying about anymore

Surely she should of waited to at least vote against

I know. Please god let this snow ball 🙏