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kier probably blackmailing MPs
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The only vote MPs need to be making is a vote of no confidence against starmer.
I know it will probably never happened anyway :(
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"Labour MP Liz Kendall previously said there are 1,000 new Pip awards every day – “the equivalent of adding a city the size of Leicester every single year”."
I assume this figure include teenagers coming off DLA and applying for PIP. If so, Kendall gives another false impression.
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I don't buy for a minute that there are that many people a day being awarded pip
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-Please check if the flashing light is working?
- It's working, it's not working, it's working, it's not working…
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This is a consequence of the social model of disability. Disabled people should be taken into account and receive payments separately from other vulnerable groups, I believe.
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I have been trying to distract myself from all of this as much as I can because otherwise it can become completely time consuming and I refuse to let that happen.
I live in a beautiful place, the weather has been great this week and I have sat outside overlooking the sea.
I hope you all manage to have a good weekend.
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This worries me Zips. I am not mega loaded, wish I was, then I could live on my basic state pension plus Zillions in savings lol 😁I live alone and because of my complicated circumstances I am £3 odd above the threshold for pension credit ugh, mind you I would prefer to stay as I am rather than have to tell pension credit every time I need to ''spend a penny'' 😆 I just hope if they do go down that route that the threshold is not a stupidly low one like PC and the original Labour WFP. Something else to add to the long list of Labours hatred of the disabled and old, we really must all be an obnoxious burden in their eyes 🙄
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What they’re doing makes no sense especially if they say they’re trying to get people to work. This would prove they’re lying as more people won’t be able to work.
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True 😡It is a stupid proposal, if it does become one. PIP helps folk to work and stay in work, so now if folk work plus get PIP and that means they go over the threshold they take their PIP away plus the car they use to get to work, that disabled person now cannot work, has lost PIP and the merry go round starts again. Crazy, crackers, the lot of them 😦
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I really don’t think they know what they’re doing. They just seem to look back at the Tory’s and copy them . I actually had a reply from starmers office a copy of days before the parliamentary talk last Wednesday. First thing they said was it’s the Tory’s fault. Gave a load of rubbish but whoever wrote it didn’t sign their name just from the office of …
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I really think they are trying to squeeze the air right out of every disabled person no matter who that person is or what disability the person has. I truly believe they see us as a wholly obnoxious section of society that must be ''Dealt'' with one way or the other. Yes, the Tory rhetoric shines through on all these proposals and anticipated proposals. My Great Grandfather is no longer rolling in his grave he is hopefully walking amongst those in power who despise us so much and is going give them hell 😡
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I could be wrong… but with the means testing PIP that seems to have come from a freedom of information request from the DWP. it could be that it was something that was considered by the DWP. I think by law it has to be shared, even if the idea itself was shelved.
It doesn’t mean that it might not happen in the future. Probably not now… labour can’t just slip it into the bill, or DWP just decide to implement it. I know DNS is a source of information for most of us, and is dedicated to disabled news, but it’s also a journalist outlet and they tend to sensualise news. It’s just scaremongering at this point making this time worse for us, not good for our MH.
We can only deal with the facts and put pressure on our MPs and respond to green paper by the 30th June.
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If they can't get you one way - they will do via another way…
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And they’re voting in assisted dying and scrapping vagrant laws to give us options ? How nice of them.
I’d prefer Tory’s over this lot . They spoke of doing thing but at the end of the day they held a full consultation and they didn’t make things water tight as this lot . You can tell Labour are serious where Tory’s just seemed to try to do something to stay in power .
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A dozen ministers could quit over Starmer’s disability welfare cuts
Government figures say they will oppose reforms to personal independence payments and universal credit, while some believe the vote will have to be pulled
Oliver Wright
, Policy EditorFriday June 20 2025, 9.10pm BST, The Times
Sir Keir Starmer faces a rebellion from frontbenchersANDY RAIN/EPA
As many as a dozen members of government are prepared to resign rather than support Sir Keir Starmer’s controversial welfare reforms, it has been claimed, as backbench critics accused ministers of betraying Labour values.A senior government figure told The Times that about 12 of their colleagues had privately indicated they would find it impossible to support the measures that are due to be voted on a week on Wednesday.Another leading opponent said that as many as 80 Labour MPs were “holding firm” in opposition to the plans and believed the government would ultimately have to pull the vote.• No concessions on benefits reform, Starmer tells rebels“If this goes through this will be our version of tuition fees,” they said. “The optics of taking away money from people who find it difficult to go to the toilet are terrible.”The government has a working majority of 165, meaning that 83 Labour MPs would have to rebel for Starmer to lose a vote.Whips are warning potential rebels that they will be blacklisted for any future government job for as long as Starmer is prime minister — even if they simply abstain. Anyone openly opposing the plans faces a threat of having the whip suspended entirely amid growing concern in No 10 that the vote could slip away from the government.But one government source suggested that contingency plans to pull the vote altogether were being prepared, in case Starmer’s team concluded that they did not have the numbers.Any move to back down would have implications for the government’s finances as the £5 billion of savings from the changes have already been “banked” by Rachel Reeves in the government’s spending plans.Those prepared to walk away from their jobs are understood to be a mixture of junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries — the MPs who act as the eyes and ears of cabinet ministers in Westminster. A few are said to be new MPs only elected last year.On Thursday Vicky Foxcroft, the MP for Lewisham North, resigned as a government whip and said she could not vote for the reforms. “I have wrestled with whether I should resign or remain in the government and fight for change from within,” she told Starmer. “Sadly it now seems that we are not going to get the changes I desperately wanted to see.”• Three months’ grace for claimants about to lose disability benefitsMPs are due to debate changes to welfare on July 1, which include a tightening of the criteria for the personal independence payment (PIP), the main disability payment in England and Wales. Ministers also want to cut the sickness-related element of universal credit, and delay access to it, so only those aged 22 and over can claim.The package of reforms is aimed at encouraging more people off sickness benefits and into work, but dozens of Labour rebels said last month that the proposals were “impossible to support”.A number of MPs spoke out in support of Foxcroft after her resignation.Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said he had “utmost respect for her and her principled stand here”, adding: “She’s right. Our welfare system does need change, but the cuts proposed are not the right way to do it.”Connor Naismith, the MP for Crewe & Nantwich, added: “This must have been an incredibly difficult decision but she should be commended for standing by her principles. I agree with her that reducing the welfare bill is the right ambition, but cuts to universal credit and PIP should not be part of the solution.”Asked about the resignation on Times Radio, Lisa Nandy, the culture secretary said that it was “up to every MP to look to their conscience and vote the way that they believe is right”.“If you can’t stick with collective responsibility in government, you have to resign,” she said. “She’s done the honourable thing. It will enable her to have a voice.”UK
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Very informative post thank you @alexroda.
"The optics of taking money away from people who have difficulty going to the toilet is terrible".
When I sent my 20 or so letters following the Green Paper in March, I wrote about my toilet habits 🤣🤣🤣 which are the bane of my life since Long Covid. It was politely worded/not graphic/5 bowel diagnoses, 27 additional others, but got no replies, only from my own MP who, whilst making sympathetic noises, I think is supporting the Bill. Maybe my letter/content made them feel ill. I can assure them the feeling is most definitely mutual! Thank you again, an interesting read 😊.
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According to the UK government’s Department for Work & Pensions (DWP), the number of new Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claims has risen significantly in recent years:
- 41,000 new claims per month in 2019, increasing to 74,000 per month in 2024
- That equates to roughly 2,467 new claims each day in 2024.
NB This is "claims" - not successful claims
Based on the most recent official DWP figures in the PIP Statistics to January 2025 report:
- As at 31 January 2025, there were 1.3 million DLA‑reassessment PIP claims in payment (out of a total caseload of 3.7 million) citizensadvice.org.uk+15gov.uk+15idolgu.in+15.
The DWP publishes monthly (for new PIP claims) and quarterly (for DLA reassessments → PIP) statistics reddit.com+1gov.uk+1. The latest quarterly volume isn't broken down by month in the publicly released data, but we can estimate:
- Between October 2024 and January 2025, if the number of DLA-to-PIP reassessments made steady progress (similar to the 24,000 in the quarter ending October 2024), that averages around:
- ≈ 24,000 transfers per quarter
- → ≈ 8,000 per month
However, this is necessarily a rough estimate, as exact monthly breakdowns aren’t published. The best available data uses quarterly totals.
0 - 41,000 new claims per month in 2019, increasing to 74,000 per month in 2024
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Rebels lives are probably being threatened not just their jobs.
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