Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,659 Championing

    Haha don't use either I did consider getting a trampoline to help me clean the upstairs windows but she who must be obeyed put her foot down

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    Hi chiaried,

    It says AR1 but not the numbers at the bottom. It’s 32 pages including the information on how to fill it in . I t does say not to send a GP letter of support but I’m no longer under hospital specialist due to there being no treatment for ME and fibromyalgia. Plus the other conditions I have . Should I just get one anyway ? The Dr I see isn’t my named Dr at the surgery so I don’t want them asking someone who hasn’t seen me .

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 178 Empowering

    This is very confusing to me because regardless of the concession, if they scrap the WCA as planned, won't any reassessment be under new PIP rules for LCWRA too? They had said the reassessments should be running properly again too I thought, so it sounded like they wanted everyone reassessed.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 148 Empowering
    edited June 28

    We DO need to campaign to get abolition of ESA reversed, if at all possible, the more we make it hard for the govt to implement disability benefits reforms the better:

    May I suggest a template letter, and add your own individual comments for more impact:

    Dear MP, [ if you know not who your MP is go to ''findyourMP'' please.

    Good luck, and determination.

    Please can you tell my why ESA has been abolished.

    I have lost £

    a week about 121 quid.

    This has not been discussed in Parliament, or in the media.

    Why?

    Can you raise it as a Q at PMQs, and get back to us?

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 148 Empowering

    I agree with geckobat it is very confusing if LCRWA is retained or not under PIP UC reforms.

    Please go to

    www.cab.org.uk

    and Google ''Disability Rights UK''

    and report back to us all.

    You'd alleviate your own anxiety and confusion, and help others, if you did the above.

    We do need expert advice from the professionals.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 189 Empowering

    I have no idea , I'm on cbesa and lcwra but no pip

    CBESA / new style ESA is said to be merging with jobseekers to make a new benefit called employment insurance , so I have absolutely no idea how that will affect my award or my NI credits

    Then when the WCA gets scrapped in 2028 I have no idea whether we will get assessed under current pip criteria or the new 4 point criteria.....

    Absolutely criminal what's happening to us , I guess will no more once the it gets passed .... Surely most will question this in the reading of the bill

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 178 Empowering
    edited June 28

    I'm on just LCWRA and my mind's been spinning since the start of this bill trying to understand what will happen. This side of it continues to be brushed over or mentioned only briefly. It's frustrating.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 189 Empowering

    Absolutely , we will just have to stay alert and wait and see what gets passed and what doesn't .... It's such a mess at the minute there isn't much point trying to guess , were in the same boat so if I hear anything I'll let you know 👍

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    I'm not referring to sites like this and B&W. I'm talking about communities on social networks, tiktok, etc. where there is absolutely no doubt people are being encouraged to game and cheat the system by people running accounts seeking followers and ad revenue.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    I never said the words "extremely large" or even "large". I'm saying these communities exist on popular social networks where clout chasers are encouraging people to quit their jobs and game the benefits system.

    The people running the accounts don't care about anyone but themselves. They want followers, views, ad revenues. The PIP system is now so clogged up with applications that people are waiting years to get decisions.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering
    edited June 28

    The people I'm talking about are not disabled people online. The people I refer to online run accounts on IG, Tiktok, YouTube etc. telling people to quit their jobs and how to claims thousands every month from the government. They have zero interest in helping people with legitimate problems. They provide step-by-step guides how to maximise your welfare payments, even explaining how to fake certain conditions.

    The government/dwp are clearly aware of these accounts, but seem to prefer to use the abuse as a platform to justify punishing all of us.

    Scope is amazing. As is Benefits and Work. I've never seen people on here encouraging people to cheat the system.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Feels like they are hoping to get the bill through without detailing future plans for LCWRA. As has been suggested, they want a blank cheque to proceed with the next phases of their so-called reforms. Not only on LCWRA, but also reforming the PIP descriptors which could easily hit the people they are pretending to be protecting. Claiming some vague plan to include experts and people with disabilities doesn't commit them to anything.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,155 Championing

    Hi @secretsquirrel1 - whilst there's no harm in asking the GP you normally see for a letter, they may likely have a charge for this, & do they actually know much about PIP? How often have they seen you dress/undress, use the bathroom or budget? You don't particularly need info about your conditions, it's how these affect your functional ability to attempt/do any of the applicable activities/descriptors.

    Whatever you decide, the most importance thing is your own anecdotal evidence so try & give a couple of detailed, recent examples as to the difficulties you face for those descriptors, e.g. when did this happen, where were you, what exactly happened, why, did anyone else see this, &, importantly for you, how did it leave you feeling afterwards/the consequences, e.g. any increase in pain/fatigue/unable to repeat the activity as often as you'd like?

    Remember PIP is how you are the majority of the time, & if you can/can't do an activity 'reliably.' See the section on 'reliability' here, tho this all is good info: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    I’ve seen my go quite a bit lately due to two other diagnosis’s . I always provide a go letter just so they can confirm all my conditions though I also sent my medical notes last time . The only letters from my specialist was many years ago when the diagnosed me but obviously I’m discharged now . Can that go against me ?

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 247 Pioneering

    If the number of people who play the system according to you is not large maybe 10000, then what would be the point of introducing vouchers to stop them playing a disability game?

    You are suggesting that the number of people who play a disability game is large or very large and that’s why if a voucher system will be introduced that will stop people from playing this game.

    And if people would not play a disability game then there would not be a necessity to implement a vouchers system.

    So yes, you are implying that there’s a large or very large group of people who play a disability game.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 148 Empowering

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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,155 Championing

    Hi @secretsquirrel1 - being discharged by a consultant shouldn't matter, as the review is about how you are now. Anyway how are the DWP supposed to know that any of us have been discharged unless you send in a letter which says this.

    I don't think your diagnoses will be in doubt, but if you want to use a letter from your GP that's fine.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 856 Championing

    If all their concessions for people on LCWRA is to lift the freeze on uprating the health element in line with the rate of inflation, which is equal to miserable £4.70 per month, and nothing else, then, to me, it's literally taking the mickey out of us.

    I'm still not finding an answer to:

    What will existing claimants on LCWRA be reassessed with once the WCA is phased out?

    They said it would be phased out in 2028, but who knows, once they get their evil bill through, they could phase it out much earlier, saying that its replacement is already in place, and thus there's no point in waiting till 2028.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    I guess I’m worried that I can’t get any recent letters from my consultant as there isn’t treatment so you get discharged. But I have several letters from the past that I’ll send again. I’m not leaving anything up to them . Thank you chiaried

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