Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 199 Empowering

    If the number of people who play the system according to you is not large maybe 10000, then what would be the point of introducing vouchers to stop them playing a disability game?

    You are suggesting that the number of people who play a disability game is large or very large and that’s why if a voucher system will be introduced that will stop people from playing this game.

    And if people would not play a disability game then there would not be a necessity to implement a vouchers system.

    So yes, you are implying that there’s a large or very large group of people who play a disability game.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    How many disabled, and elderly/ pensioners are there in the UK population of 67 million citizens
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    In 2022/23, an estimated 16.1 million people in the UK were classified as disabled, representing 24% of the total population. The UK also had around 12.7 million people receiving the State Pension in May 2023. Elaboration:

    • Disabled People:
    • The number of disabled people in the UK has been increasing over time, with the latest data indicating that 16.1 million individuals identify as having a disability, according to the House of Commons Library. This represents nearly one in four people in the UK. 
    • State Pension Recipients:
    • In May 2023, 12.7 million people were receiving the State Pension. This figure is based on the latest data available from GOV.UK

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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,062 Championing

    Hi @secretsquirrel1 - being discharged by a consultant shouldn't matter, as the review is about how you are now. Anyway how are the DWP supposed to know that any of us have been discharged unless you send in a letter which says this.

    I don't think your diagnoses will be in doubt, but if you want to use a letter from your GP that's fine.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 632 Championing

    If all their concessions for people on LCWRA is to lift the freeze on uprating the health element in line with the rate of inflation, which is equal to miserable £4.70 per month, and nothing else, then, to me, it's literally taking the mickey out of us.

    I'm still not finding an answer to:

    What will existing claimants on LCWRA be reassessed with once the WCA is phased out?

    They said it would be phased out in 2028, but who knows, once they get their evil bill through, they could phase it out much earlier, saying that its replacement is already in place, and thus there's no point in waiting till 2028.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,925 Championing

    I guess I’m worried that I can’t get any recent letters from my consultant as there isn’t treatment so you get discharged. But I have several letters from the past that I’ll send again. I’m not leaving anything up to them . Thank you chiaried

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,062 Championing
    edited June 28

    To everyone concerned about the proposed changes to CB ESA, you haven't been forgotten. However the 2nd reading of the 'Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill' which will have it's 2nd reading next week, is just about those 2 benefits, & why most of the current discussion is about UC & PIP.

    There's still time to respond to the Govt's Green Paper as the proposed changes to the CB ESA & JSA are at least being consulted upon. Please see the following from section 151 onwards. You can either respond to this & the few other bits that are actually open to consultation, or email in a reply. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper#section-1--what-the-reformed-system-will-look-like

    It's said right at the end of this,

    Please email consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp .gov.uk

    if:

    • you would like to respond via email, or
    • you have any other enquiries specifically relating to this consultation

    You have until midnight 30 June to reply

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 632 Championing

    Finally!

    As they say, "Speak of the devil and he shall appear"!

    You were guessing that your review form was on its way for the three weeks or so, and here it is finally!

    I really wonder why they're sending out review forms so early, when, for example, your current award will be running till end of next January!

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 632 Championing

    It's noble on the part of the MPs pushing the new amendment, raising the fact that Keir Starmer's U-Turn is creating unethical two-tier system, but we do NOT see at all the "massive concessions" that we're purportedly given.

    The two-tier system can also affect the existing claimants, as any existing claimant can also become a new claimant, by losing their current award and making a new claim for PIP.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,925 Championing

    I know I kept wondering when is it coming. They always send them months before your awards up so it’s normal. Just got to get it filled out and my info together. I’d really love a paper based assessment for a change so fingers crossed 🤞

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 839 Empowering

    Just tell them that you no longer see a consultant because there’s no further treatment available. I’d been discharged before my last review - I told them plainly why and that it didn’t mean I’d improved. They accepted my explanation

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 632 Championing

    I've the feeling that a phone assessment is still much better than a face to face one, even though I haven't had any phone or paper based assessment to date.

    Have you kept a copy of your previous completed form?

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    It's annoying that this question has not been asked, as far as I can tell, by anybody in a position to do so.

    I suspect you're right, they don't have a good track record so far for keeping promises and this isn't even that because it's so muddled and unclear. At this point, I don't trust anything is secure for us at all.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 632 Championing

    As claimant on LCWRA, being reassessed under the current PIP is already no good for us, as it mostly focuses on physical disability and much less on mental health issues. When Liz Kendall was asked about this by Andrew Marr on LBC Radio, her response was, and I quote, "PIP was never set up to deal with mental health problems." Then why on earth assess people with mental health issues on something that's not designed for them?

    She's a perfect embodiment of evil.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/cant-duck-the-issue-of-uks-soaring-benefits-bill-liz-kendall-tells-lbc/

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering

    Well so far the concessions seem to barely go far enough. Surely they wont curry the favour of the rebel MPs?

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    It isn't for for purpose and absolutely useless for assessing LCWRA claimants. It also fails to assess pain and fatigue so it's terrible as it is.

    I constantly come back to the same thought I had when this bill first came, that their only intention is to cut claims no matter how they have to do it, and once they get the bill through how can anybody fight it?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,925 Championing

    If that’s the case why does mobility have two different descriptors one for how far you can walk outside and one for planning journeys safely etc . Second part is clearly for those who suffer panic attacks etc .

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering
    edited June 28

    I've always thought that at least some of the descriptors can also cover people with mental health issues.

    I know that the descriptors 'Managing My Treatments', 'Talking, Listening and Understanding', 'Mixing With Other People', and 'Planning and Following a Journey' are all things I have serious trouble with because of mental health issues.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,925 Championing

    Thank you 🙏. I think because I’ve had suck bad luck with assessments, even tribunal where the dwp turned up , it’s made me nervous now . It’s funny but the dwp have mostly been supportive of me but assessors not so much

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,925 Championing

    Yes phone is better for me personally as I have invisible conditions so I look fine unless my sciatica plays up then I’m screaming in pain . Same as the pain from my arthritis. But my fibromyalgia pain is a pain that throbs constantly and my reaction to it is different so you wouldn’t know what I’m feeling. My first assessor was face to face and absolutely nasty . Lied , disagreed with everything I said , ignored all medical evidence. So I don’t want a face to face . I’m praying for paper based , just to get a break for once