Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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What are the last minute concessions please?
Is it still only new claimants that are affected or as the whole thing been thrown out?
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I’d like to see more protection for us within the severe criteria and fluctuating conditions included. I understand some people may have long periods of remission but there are some like myself that although my ME is classed as a fluctuating condition I never has a remission not even a good day . I hope fatigue conditions is fought for especially now after Covid . I don’t think fatigue and pain are taken seriously enough.
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This is what I don’t understand. Right now you have people claiming lcwra but too scared to apply for pip . Once the system changes they will have to pass the pip assessment anyway to get lcwra/ health element but then they’ll also get pip too . At first it’ll be like the DLA to pip situation but hopefully over time more people will qualify as changes come in due to legal action. Over time surely this will cost more than it saves .
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To be honest with you I'm to scared to apply , even though your right in everything you say , I think alot could change from now till then and I think there maybe some protection for people in my situation of recieving CBESA and LCWRA but no pip , because pip has wrongly dominated all the headlines but alot of people are aware that people in my situation will be hot hard by all this and I think the closer it approaches the more it will get a light shines on it , also for me I'll be honest I don't need extra money from pip , I get by fine with my CBESA and LCWRA for what I need , I'm pretty sure I'll get another reassessment before the new rules come in , so I'll concentrate on passing that and then see when my next reassessment date would fall .... And prepare accordingly .... What I will say is the state the dwp's in at the minute with backlogs alone and on top of that all these new changes aswell , I would be shocked if this all comes in on time , I mean timms review is now happening the same time as the new rules were supposed to be going through and anything he trys to get through that is suspect will have pushback .... Long way to go yet
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It’s Kemi I’m really annoyed at . I don’t know how she personally voted but Tory’s apparently abstained. She actually said she wants more cutbacks for disability so our kids don’t have to pay for it in the future. Like we are some second class citizens no one wants
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I know people who should get pip but feel the same as you yet were told too many claiming plus fraud . The only fraud is from the assessors
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Kemi voted no on the bill. Knowing her, her vote wouldn't be out of sympathy for disabled people, it's because she feels that they didn't go far enough.
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secret squirel said he doesnt know how Chemi Badenoch voted re the UC PIP Bill, but that Tory MPs abstained. For the ''parliamentary voting record '' Google it please re the Bill and get back to us.
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You can report him to Prliament for lying, MPs must be factual and truthful; please put in a complaint, its your right to ''informed choices consent and participation as a citizen voter'', and lies are not allowed.
See below
Nigel Farage was just ranting that fraudsters can get on PIP for life after a 10 minute zoom call with their GP. Absolutely clueless on every level.1 -
What scares me more farage may be in power by 2029 :-(
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Catherine says she feels defeated, and no doubt many will feel defeated depressed and anxious. But I contend its not a defeat.
Its neither success or failure but the courage to continue as Churchill said.
Also, I am not the only person ion this forum to say, we can reverse this partial defeat; it could have been a lot worse had we not campaigned.
This is the real test folks, are you prepared for the long march in between general elections, and in them to reverse the changes, and pursue any legal avenues given Starmer's old law firm said i the UC PIP Bill if passed would break human rights.
I am.
Just think how many years and tears, even decades the feminists, civil right movement MLK in USA, Mandela and Gandhi never gave up remained determined, optimistic and persistent before winning more human rights to vote, and freedom.
How courageous in adversity can you be, can we be, I think a lot, after the initial shock, of 'defeat'.
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i thought the lcwra was going to rise with inflation after these concessions.you can't believe a word this government says and i'll never vote for them again.this is clearly an attack on the disabled to compensate for they're disasterous budget.they should leave us all alone,amd i mean current claimmants and new claimmants alike.
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INDEED.
Let us keep going, and share this quote, and wonderful cartoon on social media, and write to Starmer loads of us quoting himself, c/o of MPs.
Keep up the pressure, and do not let him rest on hislaurels in 'vivtory'. Starmer is not a robot and will feel this oral and political pressure for disability justice, even if he willnot admit it.
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Catherine21 you are brilliant, courageous in the face of adversity to keep going.
I am thus acting SCOPE through this post to pass this on to their lawyers to see if there is a legal and moral case to answer , and to work with public health lawyers, Mind Legal Unit, Liberty and other pro bono /for good cause and free, lawyers.
Now is the time to double down, not give up.
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Cheers , yes exactly as I thought .... I definitely think I'll get one more reassessment and that would take me up to the pip new assessment , then we will just have to wait and see what the new criteria looks like and go from there .... I'm pretty sure the WCA won't be scrapped by the first of January 2028 , I'm confident everything will be in a big mess and delays will be almost certain
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Churchill also told people to light coal fires when London was covered in fog look how that panned out
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I am not a cynic, ever, and would never aprove of Churxchilln follery of lighting coal fuires during fogs.
No one is perfect, mindfulness says, ignore the fool in yourself and others, and see their best wisest most compassionate side, then happiness and freedom will reign.
Be a cynic? if you want to; if you are healthily sceptical and rigorous for truth that is different?
None of this is personal.
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Just my opinion but I think they played a blinder . Instead of existing claimants being given concessions ( not saying it’s right) and new claimants having the 4? Point rule we now gave a situation where we lose our concessions and that means more savings in the long run. It seems like a step backwards. Our only hope is Timms cannot get away with this a second time and any new rules also come under scrutiny and to the vote
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She said exactly that , because she doesn’t want our children to be left paying for the disabled. As though those children will never have the misfortune of becoming sick or disabled and need pip themselves
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You know the more I think about it properly....
Even for people in my situation of being on CBESA and LCWRA but no pip , the main worry for us , was exactly the same for people on pip
Ok we didn't want to have to mess with pip at all , but if we really had to it was the 4 point rule that was the real worry ....
When you look back at yesterday it's actually quite unbelievable to think about what took place and how completely chaotic it was
Little bit of food for thought aswell.... Serious reform has now well and truly gone out the window for this parliament , so now it will be two years before Timms report will be ready , can you imagine if a year before election they start to try and bring in controversial plans , it would be suicide in terms of the general election....so I think there could be a good chance that Timms and the government go a bit easier on it based on things
Also they know that they would probably get the vote from people on benefits ( not because people like them ) but because farage and kemi would be 10 times worse ! .... So they would need to play things clever ..... They might be incompetent vile cretins but there not stupid .... Obviously just a take on it
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