Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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This is what I read on Benefits and Work about an hour ago:
"In addition, several Labour MPs have said they intend to vote for the bill or abstain at the second reading. But if they are not happy with the further information that becomes available over the coming week, they will vote against the bill at its third reading on 9 July."
And this what I've just read on B&W, which was published about 10 minutes or so ago:
"The second reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independent Payment Bill begins at 1.40pm today. The vote is expected at 7.00pm."
I believe it is mandatory for a bill to go through three readings in both the House of Commons and the House of Lords in the UK Parliament before it can become law. And from Google, the third reading is the final chance for the Commons to debate the contents of a Bill. It usually takes place immediately after report stage as the next item of business on the same day.
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Powerful words from Rachael Maskell in parliament. 💜
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What does this mean I'm behind today he's accepted admenment so is that good is it going ahead today sorry confused?? X
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Oh OK thankyou so today voting if goes through
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Starmer would have ot like that here he'd love to be a dictator already tried but acne can be horrendous emotionally and physically for the person
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I'm not watching but she is amazing 😍
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That's completely understandable @Catherine21. It's been very intense this week so it's crucial you look after yourself. 💜
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My guess is that 'acne' and 'writers cramp' are just one of many conditions the persons had. I very much doubt anyone was able to get it on those conditions alone and certainly not mobility as is being claimed.
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Catherine wrote this above:
Whats happening today is it going ahead i'm confused that's all labour do is confuse people.Again Catherine and others who are confused distressed anxiouism' even suicdal, patience please.
And use your friends or any other source of support as well(hobbies, what you enjoy doing, a treat etc.)
It will be over soon and Catherine, I am, and other disabled people are valuable worthy human beings worthy of winning this vote to destroy Starmer's Bill.
Patience, persistence, mindful presence of what is good in our lives, and being kind to ourselves, our friends, those who do help us - please compliment them.
We deserve happiness and not oppression.
I encourage everyone to Google mindfulness and mediation and your postcode or town's name, and to practice yoga, relaxation.
Please Google anything you think might heal your physical pains and mental agonies.
Lok after yourselves.
PS
Catherine you are a wonderful human being who took my gentle, tender nurturing in a post a few months ago, when you expressed total despair, frustration anxiety and depression. You acted upon my empathy, and recovered, and told me you'd write to your MP.
So, you can do it again.
Buddha's parable of The 84th Problem is relevant here.
It means a farmer approached Buddha Shakyamunni, moaned about his mountain of work, family problems lack of rain, aging etc., etc. And Buddha said I cant solve your problems, you can, if we listen to each other compassionately. The farmer said: ''But you are the Teacher, the guru, you can surely end my suffering. ?'' No I cannot, I can help by compassion and wisdom, but I cant do it for you, and do you know what the worst problem is? Its the attitude we shouldn't suffer problems. ''
In Freudian terms, we resist having problems, give up the resistance to solving your own problems, with help, and then suffering neurosis will heal.
Be joyful, radiate love, I am, and anyone can do it. Problems are opportunities; all demons are diamonds.
I hope this helps. We all deserve love, insight, and support, and happiness too.
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Xx I'm waiting to see what people think
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Thank you so much for your lobbying, and kindness to share it - so helping alleviate our ovrblown fears/anxiety. And to all those who have provided other informations - knowledge is power - and peace of mind.
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The Taxpayers Alliance are one of those lobbying groups that represent the interests of the super rich who want ultra-low taxes and no redistributing of taxpayer money to poor people. The IEA are another. Their supporters will trumpet slogans like 'taxation is theft'. Many of these people will probably change their tune when AI takes their jobs and they are left screaming for UBI.
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I am with you Catherine, lets see what the end result is 😊
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Thats wonderful 😊 Thankyou gosh yes all those months ago it's this group has done wonders for me and many others I never thought I needed people until I joined scope we all lift each other up as you have done just now invaluable kindness support encouragement I miss many people who was in this group when I first joined I was horrid and nightcity was always so supportive for that I am so grateful vikki apples meg24 andi summerlove poppy kimmi many more much love to you
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I not worried so I don't know if that's good or bad hope your OK I was cutting hedge till sweat dripping in eyes good excuse not to watch 😉
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If she gets enough to vote our way I think it kills the bill. Shame turncoat hellier didn’t keep the amendment instead of siding with Starmer.
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Mrs BB
What I was trying to say was there are MILLIONS of elderly and disabled people in the UK, and they make up at least a 3rd of the UK population, which is rapidly ageing too.
Hence there will be ever more disabled and elderly people, voters, likely to vote against any govt that tries to cut their pensions, fuel allowances and disability benefits.
It is V HOT and its also affected my concentration, remember to drink plenty of water and in general look after yourselves folks, and support each other.
Here's a letter I have written to Leeds Welfare Rights:
Milan Ghosh re UC Migration and PIP DP SDP ESA which benefits will I lose, and gain?
My UC form was done with help from staff at Seacroft Jobcentre - I could not have done it alone.It took over 2 hours, and unfortunately afterwards the intense anxiety provoked a suicide attempt. I still do not now which benefits I will lose.
I signed the form under psychological duress: I had to sign the form to retain some benefits, but resented having to sign saying I understood I would lose benefits. I think such pressure is against the right to life, duty of care and other rights to informed choices and at least 5 other basic rights.I will be consulting 9 solicitors pro bono charity etc. about these rights - will they stand up in court in M Ghosh v govt.
Will I lose ESA if so that just over 121 quid a week I'll lose, and with inflation still high I will be definitely be in poverty.
Will I lose my CTB DP SDP
I'm very worried. You advice is invaluable, and thanks for it many times in the past indeed.
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We may yet still win this
We certainly deserve to - even more MPs are disgusted even with Starmers 'concessions'.
And we did the hard graft of campaigning, writing to MPs, the media going on TV radio etc, sharing it, especially the mass lobby of parliament.
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Dear Catherine21, and all others in this discussion forum of SCOPEs, we deserve love, self respect, respect by society, non stigma WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO DESERVE FAR BETTER, AND WHEN WE RECEIVE COMPASSION TO SHARE AND BE GRATEFUL. We are not bad evil or wicked, we have disabilities. We did not ask for this disablist oppression, and stigma, and do NOT deserve it,. It is NOT our fault.
I was just moved to tears by Catherines thank you to me for my kindness, and others have shown great kindness, legal info, advice support to me, and others. That is what it IS all about comradeship we are stronger than we know, and stronger united, and hatred is worth nowt. We can transform any frustration or ill-will towards the govt into cogent reasoning, legal actions, lobbying. It is totally understandable we feel hurt traumatised, angry bitter even enraged but anger makes us bad company and destroys our happiness.
I shall NEVER forget the loyalty comradeship support encouragement challenges of al the wonderful courageous deeply courageous and sensitive nurturing disabled people on this forum. I am eternally in your debt, and love is its own reward, hatred is its own punishment on the perpetrator. Gratitude peace of mind and courage are the rewards for compassion.
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I think meg the peg had a personal gripe with starmer he was probley ignoring her full stop ! So she made her presence known otherwise if she really had claimants at heart she wouldn't have turned so quick few days later on morning telly oh I'm quiet happy now I emailed her and said what was that all about I said another labour mp putting us on a emotional rollercoaster I said we are people you know !
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