Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I understand the reasoning about prioritising the substantial risk group for assessment, but would that help for those on C-ESA plus PIP? Because, if they're going to using the PIP assessment in future how would turning you down for ESA help them?
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They had only one plan, which is now in tatters. It was to make the 4pt system a law and assess as many claimants as possible both from PIP and ESA/UC on the 4pt criteria and cut sickness and disability benefits to as many claimants as possible and claim that they had reduced the number of claimants, even if they didn't save as much as they had claimed to.
The whole saga revolved only around PIP and nothing else, as cutting and freezing the rates for the new claimants for sickness benefits was an easy defenseless target.
They asked people to fill in consultations only on PIP and they didn't even bother to go through what people wrote in these consultations, as the vote took place one day after the consultations period had ended.
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I agree with @Passerby that they had zero intention of taking onboard anything individuals or disability groups/charities had to say.
I would go further and say Timms has already written his review and will ignore any and all input from experts, fellow mps, and disability organisations. He has already recognised people with life-long and/or degenerative conditions as being 'worthy' disabled and, as such, should not be further assessed. (Which is how it should always have been, imo.)
The rest of us (the vast majority) will be ground through his mill whenever our name comes up in his lottery. The vast majority of us are most likely to be considered 'unworthy' in order to balance their books, and get him a seat in the House of Lords.
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There has been absolutely no mention of 'substantial risk' or any change to it in the 'UC & Pip Bill,' nor it's amendments.
Substantial risk is considered when a claimant already has LCW but doesn't (otherwise) fit the criteria for LCWRA, but they, or others would be at 'substantial risk' if they weren't placed in the LCWRA group (if such a claimant was asked to engage in looking into work/actual employed).
Links about this & 'severe conditions' previously quoted from Benefits and Work were from 22 June just after the Bill was first published on 18 June.
The 'severe conditions' criteria (which already exists) is completely different; you need to meet one of the LCWRA descriptors & all 4 of these need to apply:
- the level of function will always meet LCWRA
- it's a lifelong condition with
- no realistic prospect of recovery of function
- it's an unambiguous condition (with a medical diagnosis)
The latest amendment to the UC & PIP Bill on 3 July has added that fluctuating conditions such as Parkinson's & multiple sclerosis will also apply. [There had been concern that the Bill said that a 'severe condition' had to 'constantly' apply]
I have no way of knowing if the statement B & W made about those with 'substantial risk' not meeting the criteria for 'severe conditions' is correct, for, as I say, 'substantial risk' isn't even mentioned in this Bill.
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Claimants in theย "substantial risk" category, which is a sub-group to the limited capability for work and work-related activity (LCWRA) category, do not meet "Severe Conditions criteria", and the answer to why they do not meet is this:
- The level of function will always meet LCWRA criteria.
In other words, they were awarded LCWRA not on the basis of their functional limitations, but on substantial risk.
This is quite similar to the refugee status.
Asylum seekers who meet the strict criteria for refugee status under the 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention (persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or social group membership) are granted a refugee status.
But there are many other asylum seekers who fail to meet such strict criteria due to a number of reasons, which are beyond the scope of my comment. But they still face serious threats to their life or well-being if returned to their home country.ย This often includes those fleeing widespread violence, armed conflict, or other situations where their life or safety is at serious risk, even if not due to individual persecution.ย A small number among this group are granted a refugee status due to humanitarian reasons, even though they haven't met the strict criteria under the 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention.
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I definitely agree this rewriting of pip already done see how they bring it forward even doing it by a money bill is aborant imagine can never be challenged that's it set in stone never had it this bad with tories I'm still hoping some kind of miracle happens but there all in it together t
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Surely that's unlawful and on Wednesday what will they be voting on the uc element its so confusing how is this ever allowed and no mention of under 22s and because a money bill will recieve less scrutiny terrible the more I understand I wish I didn't but what can we do have to deal with it I'm still emailing
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OK I think I sort of get it and reading severe criteria has to be constant with no signs of recovery? So we move over with lwcra when does that change to severe category when wca is abolished and pip becomes the one you have to pass so I can see where they will be alot of savings let's hope Wednesday goes in our favour because we lose alot of our rights with lwcra being abolished with constant worry do health in even more have stroke with it all
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OOh OK thankyou was worrying thankyou
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I'm really concerned about severe criteria no one is talking about it will they talk about it on 9th of July because that's harsh when you read into it
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OhhhhOhhhhhhh YES we are right behind You if I could do back flips I would come onnnn I hope the good labour mps join them is that possible .โฆ
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Yesssss listen id join membership if they needed funds if we all did memberships now tell how will this work pls Lord ๐ let's this be workable let's this happen
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Autism is a lifelong condition mixed with mental health can be very severe he can do one
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Starmer be sweating corbyn will take alot of Labour supporters especially over gaza now watch starmer come out with we are cutting ties with iseral To late you supplied arms and let the slaughter of thousands of innocent people whilst Corbyn was on the streets campaigning I'm going to email him too I'm happy
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Oh a writers cramp who do they think we are Jessica lange think that's how you spell her name I'm going to get my doctor to write a letter explaining if I turn my head to quick it might fall off do you think I get away with it ! Gosh I'm delirious with it all
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Remember what I was saying , people on ESA / lcwra will be reassessed on the WCA until it's abolishment in 2028 / 2029 , that will be the start of the tax year April 2028 .... That will be for new claims firstly and then a gradual transition for existing claimants .... Earliest start back end of 2029 .... And then there's a very good chance you won't be one of the first , you could be looking at the end of 2030 going into 2031 .... I mean there will be another government in by then , who knows what will happen .... You can't be worrying yourself sick for a minimum of 4 and a half years .... Just concentrate on your next reassessment and go from there
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Your so right I'm going to stop reading all articles takes over thankyou so much
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I want to apologise for all screen shots I'm not keeping tabs on how many I send I'm going to calm down and be more aware of what I'm putting out I respect everyone to much to be upsetting or worrying people
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There's nothing to apologise for @Catherine21 thank you for sharing so much information that people may have missed. ๐
In other news, I've updated the original post with some new links. It's worth everyone checking them out. ๐
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I think more will leave ๐ค
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