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secretsquirrel, I still think there needs to be much caution around what Timms said yesterday, as we know full well, what he says and what he does are two very different things. The only concession I got from yesterday, that's if you can call it a concession as it should be part of his review anyway, was that he will listen to disabled folk and organisations and he will use those discussions when he applies changes PIP. The bit about fluctuating conditions and severe conditions I need a lot more convincing before I believe any of that.
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I saw it there, too, but it was only quoting the Order Paper that read "expected to be certified as a Money Bill".
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What an awful government mrsBB . Cannot be trusted at all . After all of us , pensioners disabled and now send kids
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Looks like we will have to delve more Zipz but its so hard to find a source for it, are they purposely keeping it a secret ?
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Ok ...
So let me get this right ....
If someone like myself is on ESA / LCWRA but no pip ....
We will still be assessed through the WCA , until it gets scrapped sometime in 2028 ....
Now , am I right in thinking that the SCC will be made part of the existing WCA as soon as it's passed into law ?
Am I also right in thinking that if you have a WCA reassessment and you don't satisfy the SCC this DOESN'T mean you loose your ESA / LCWRA automatically....
Not satisfying the SCC criteria basically just means you don't have the extra bonus of not being reassessed again .…
So it's possible that you don't satisfy the SCC criteria , but still can satisfy the lcwra descriptors and retain your ESA / LCWRA award ....
Not satisfying the SCC criteria doesn't mean you automatically loose everything is what I'm saying
You can still pass the descriptors and keep your lcwra / ESA , it would just mean you would have another reassessment down the line .... Basically exactly how it's always been
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Zipz, I have now read that ''There is no public declaration yet from the Speaker confirming the Universal Credit bill has been officially certified as a Money bill'' I guess we still wait.
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Can someone please summarise what is going on. There are so many messages and it’s too confusing. Are they completely removing LWCRA? or reducing it? Or keeping it at the same amount and just not increasing it?
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My understanding of this is , when the WCA is scrapped , the health element of UC will be decided through the new pip assessment that takes over from it and what ever criteria it holds ( 4 point rule not being part of it anymore )
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I guess work commitments would apply if you didn't pass the new pip assessment
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I don't think it's being kept under wraps. The status of the Bill is now up to the Speaker. His decision might not be immediate in this case. Perhaps we won't know until the Bill reaches the Lords. The House rises for recess on 24th. Here's the latest from B & W:
What happens next
At the time of writing we do not know if the bill has been certified as a money bill. If it has not, then it will go to the Lords who can put forward amendments in the normal way.
If it is a money bill, it will still go to the House of Lords, but this is a formality. In theory, the Lords can suggest amendments but, because it is a money bill, the government are free to simply ignore them. After one month the bill as currently written will become law.
The changes in the bill, however, will not come into force until April 2026.
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Anybody else trying to get their head around the 400 amendments and what was/wasn't accepted last night? 😅 You're not alone! Scope are working on an update to the previous blog posted on our website.
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My thoughts too, I did notice he refused to say the disabled people in the review would have a veto power, as the MP who asked said how can it be an equal review if one half can't veto. He said they hoped for a consensus. Honestly I feel one of the biggest mistakes last night was not getting it into the bill that the review would be equal and fair because as many of us have said timms is not to be trusted
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From the Benefits and Work website:
"Proposals such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote. They will all require separate legislation of their own."
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Here's what I wrote about the Bill as a Money Bill earlier. See below. Even if the Speaker does certify it as a Money Bill, the Bill could not be passed by recess. It's only two weeks away.
IMHO, this Bill does not meet Money Bill criteria. However, the status of the Bill is now up to the Speaker. His decision might not be immediate in this case. Perhaps we won't know until the Bill reaches the Lords. The House rises for recess on 24th. Here's the latest from B & W:
What happens nextAt the time of writing we do not know if the bill has been certified as a money bill. If it has not, then it will go to the Lords who can put forward amendments in the normal way.
If it is a money bill, it will still go to the House of Lords, but this is a formality. In theory, the Lords can suggest amendments but, because it is a money bill, the government are free to simply ignore them. After one month the bill as currently written will become law.
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We consider this reassurance to be disingenuous. We’ll be writing more about this in the near future.
Yep I do too, that's the exact part I need convincing of where it relates to conditions.
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Yet lots more to come with parts not even voted on yet. It will remain like this for the foreseeable future, think we just need to accept what we have been told for now, then prepare for the next round of this circus.
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Well that's not as terrible as it could of been I spose 🤷.... Just need to concentrate on passing a standard WCA , you never know we may get lucky and satisfy the SCC criteria aswell , then that will take us up to when the WCA gets scrapped which should be around April time .... And let's face it that will be a big undertaking so there's a good chance we won't have anything to do with the new pip assessment until some time in 2029 , then we just will need to go from there
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We don't know yet whether it has been certified as a Money Bill.
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