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I'm getting overwhelmed trying to catch up on what's been happening.
But has anything else been said on diagnosis only accepted if by NHS doctors? As in them reconsidering?
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Hi YogiBear, I feel the same way. They are determined to claw back/save money from welfare cuts and they will one way or another. I believe the descriptors will be altered and they wont be to our advantage. I have felt it all along, all assessments will be made much more difficult, the criteria/threshold will be changed upwards and a play on words will be used. When that happens we will be stuck with it as the powers that be will say, ''well we have the Timms review/consultation, we spoke to the disabled blah blah'', lets see what they actually take onboard from said consultations. Its still all one big ploy in my opinion.
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Sound familiar ? 2019 ! I posted about this in March when the merged assessments in the Green paper were announced and will now still go ahead. The DWP/Gov at the time were to carry out a small scale test/study on a select number of areas in the UK to see how merging the two assessments faired, what the outcome would be and if it would work. I have brought this up now because I never did find any evidence that this small scale study was conducted.
This was the response at that time to the above from Disability Rights UK. It still rings true today.
SCOPE hosted the event above, first link. I am just wondering if SCOPE has access to historical data re that small scale test of merging the two assessments ?
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Hi, I'm still not fully understanding what everything means...Could someone tell me what happens to me in my situation.
I get LCWRA, Was awarded this in March 2024, This was to be reviewed within 12 months, As of yet I e not heard anything. Will I lose this come next year?
Pip wise I get standard mobility, Daily living I scored 4 points so didn't qualify for that. This gets reviewed June next year, Should I try again for the daily living element?
Thanks in advance for any replies
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Hi SS,
I believe that is what it means yes.
That is certainly almost definitely what he seems to be saying. Short of any retraction.
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This is on the gov website. So if you are waiting to be moved to uc , do you fall as new claimants who get less ? Also what do the clarify as severe conditions
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Err, actually no, I take that back, according to Latest on UC and PIP bill as Labour gets through third reading
Severe conditions criteria
There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as set out in the bill. These will come into force for new claims in April 2026 and will decide whether claimants receive the higher rate of the UC health element and whether they are subject to reassessment..
Timms did seek to reassure MPs claiming:
"The severe conditions criteria in the bill exactly reflects how the functional tests are applied at present. That is in guidance. It’s being moved in this bill into legislation. It does take account of Parkinson’s. It does take account of MS. Because people need to meet the descriptors reliably, safely, repeatedly and in a reasonable time frame. And so I can give a very firm assurance to those who are concerned about how the severe conditions criteria will work for those on fluctuating conditions.
"The word constantly here refers, as I said in my intervention earlier, to the functional criteria needing to apply at all times, not to somebody’s symptoms."
We consider this reassurance to be disingenuous. We’ll be writing more about this in the near future.
So, looks like Timms and Co are lying, trying to pull a fast one, sharp practising sharks, and wideboys, were in government we can do whatever we want, in comparison to you plebs in every other industry and profession, your rules dont apply to us etc etc..
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I was going to ask if someone would look closely at what Timms said and break it down because to me that part stuck out like a sore thumb, the way he worded it/the play on words as always seemed ambiguous. unclear to say the least, it really struck me but I couldn't put my finger on why.
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I think most of us have more than one diagnosis really. If I just had fibromyalgia I may be able to do more with painkillers, though right now I have to limit them due to other conditions. It’s thevME fatigue that’s the worst thing .
I don’t even know what changes they’ve won tbh . The only thing is the reduction in the health element for new claimants. But it works out about the same as legacy esa so I’m not sure why it’s so important now than it was for esa .0 -
secretsquirrel, I still think there needs to be much caution around what Timms said yesterday, as we know full well, what he says and what he does are two very different things. The only concession I got from yesterday, that's if you can call it a concession as it should be part of his review anyway, was that he will listen to disabled folk and organisations and he will use those discussions when he applies changes PIP. The bit about fluctuating conditions and severe conditions I need a lot more convincing before I believe any of that.
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I saw it there, too, but it was only quoting the Order Paper that read "expected to be certified as a Money Bill".
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What an awful government mrsBB . Cannot be trusted at all . After all of us , pensioners disabled and now send kids
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Looks like we will have to delve more Zipz but its so hard to find a source for it, are they purposely keeping it a secret ?
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Ok ...
So let me get this right ....
If someone like myself is on ESA / LCWRA but no pip ....
We will still be assessed through the WCA , until it gets scrapped sometime in 2028 ....
Now , am I right in thinking that the SCC will be made part of the existing WCA as soon as it's passed into law ?
Am I also right in thinking that if you have a WCA reassessment and you don't satisfy the SCC this DOESN'T mean you loose your ESA / LCWRA automatically....
Not satisfying the SCC criteria basically just means you don't have the extra bonus of not being reassessed again .…
So it's possible that you don't satisfy the SCC criteria , but still can satisfy the lcwra descriptors and retain your ESA / LCWRA award ....
Not satisfying the SCC criteria doesn't mean you automatically loose everything is what I'm saying
You can still pass the descriptors and keep your lcwra / ESA , it would just mean you would have another reassessment down the line .... Basically exactly how it's always been
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Zipz, I have now read that ''There is no public declaration yet from the Speaker confirming the Universal Credit bill has been officially certified as a Money bill'' I guess we still wait.
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Can someone please summarise what is going on. There are so many messages and it’s too confusing. Are they completely removing LWCRA? or reducing it? Or keeping it at the same amount and just not increasing it?
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My understanding of this is , when the WCA is scrapped , the health element of UC will be decided through the new pip assessment that takes over from it and what ever criteria it holds ( 4 point rule not being part of it anymore )
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I guess work commitments would apply if you didn't pass the new pip assessment
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