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  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    Well I guess it's ok. My housing association benefits advisor is helping me fill in form, I been at flat a while

    I just wondered if deductions as over 6k would affect HB

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    This is even more complicated than ESA unfortunately…

    All councils have their own savings limits. Some have a hard cut off. And some have a tapered deduction before a hard cut off. In my area, it was a hard cut off at £10,000. But no deduction between £6,000 & £10,000. I have seen other councils use £6,000, £10,000 and £16,000. So you would have to check with your council to see what their savings limits are for Housing Benefit. If you get Council Tax Reduction, then you will keep getting that from the council after migrating to UC, so should check what the council limits are as they might be £6000 in your area.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering
    edited August 3

    So I may have to pay housing benefit back too 😭 this is too much

    I been there 15 years and my rent now is £115 a week

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,330 Championing

    No I think it's all getting confusing stick to what kimi said like when doing pip esa forms everyone has diffrent experiences don't overthink your get yourself worked up I think I will have to pay something back they can't leave you in hardship a

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    It's unlikely that Housing Benefit would get notified of savings so I'd just leave that in the past. The main concern now is whether you're still allowed Council Tax Reduction in future with more than £6000 in savings. That is the one that needs to be checked really. Perhaps your adviser can help with that next time you contact them.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    @Catherine21 @OverlyAnxious

    It just seems all too much. I hear of small fine for some like £50 then a pound a week out of future benefits was told a lump sum bank transfer as can't pay ESA with universal credit, not sure why.

    My mum's gone to hospital so I'm worried about that and all this it's taking its toll on my mental health,just having a cry 😭

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    If you've got more than £6000 in savings. You can easily cover a small lump sum repayment if that does happen. It's really not a big issue. 🙂

    The £50 fine is on top of any repayments. ESA is not connected to UC in any way, that is why ESA cannot take money out of your UC payments in future.

    The deduction for ESA is £1 per week for every £250 over £6000. That works out almost exactly the same as the UC deduction which is £4.35 per month for every £250 over £6000. If you're expecting to lose around £17 a month on UC then you must have around £7000 in savings right now.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    ok thanks, i'm just concerned that a around 4yrs ago i had a lot more in the bank as i was repaid monies after a mandatory reconsideration & i was housebound for a while through illness. If i have to send statements they will see that and more a severe punishment. I mean would they want every last drop back.. Say for example in 2021 it was £9000 do they just calculate it to the highest level thats been in the account ever or go through each month of every year.. Regards

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,330 Championing

    Yes it is 50 I've read so much I be the same honestly don't worry seriously 50 a month and then if you really need anything for home ect hoover anything get it I hope your mum's OK pls don't worry

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    They have to go through every week for ESA, that's why it takes so long for them to go through all the statements and calculate it. They would want the exact amount of overpayment back.

    There wouldn't be any further punishment. The fine is fixed at £50 and that is the only punishment in a case like this.

    Also as someone mentioned previously, benefits backpay is disregarded for 12 months, so they shouldn't be taking any overpayments for the 12 months after your Mandatory Reconsideration pay out.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    So it could be thousands if it's up to most I had 3 years ago at £1 a week, could take years.

    Ok the mandatory consideration don't count that's good.

    Sorry just at hospital with my mum. I appreciate all your help.My anxiety is terrible 😔

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,330 Championing

    It's your anxiety telling you all worse case situations which none may happen Anxiety is a @@@@## fear of the unknown honestly take it day by day that's all we can do if in hospital go to a quiet place and breathe in and out splash face with cold water you done noting wrong there's millions who had extra saving without knowing gives me comfort for myself knowing would be 50 a month don't let your mind take you down you got this ok

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    Thanks for your words. Yes it's crippling from morning untill night

    My advisor says I won't need to pay anything back so wonder why here I'm told I will.

    £1 a week take ages and if can't pay it out of UC then where would it come from. A pound a week out of my bank account

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    Sorry but you've misunderstood the £1 per week.

    If you had £6,001, the deduction on ESA would have been £1 per week at that time. That has nothing to do with now at all.

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 6,347 Championing
    edited August 4

    By "can't pay it out of your UC" what is meant is a direct deduction for repaying ESA can't be taken from your UC award before it's paid to you.

    Once the money is in your bank account you are free to use it however you please, including repayment of any ESA overpayment.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    So if 4 yrs ago it was 8000 or more and now 6.5. I don't know it's all confusing to me, got so much on it's affecting me lots. I'll just say I'm too ill. Like advisor says it's UC I'm applying for so different to ESA so not addressed to ESA

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,862 Championing

    If we average that to £7000 over 4 years, the total repayment now would be £832. Plus the £50 fine.

    If you have £6500 in savings then you can easily pay £882 from that. And that would even reduce your savings for UC, so you would get the full UC instead of being deducted £17 a month.

    It is impossible for us to calculate the ESA overpayments on here as we would have to go through every bank statement for that 4 years.

    I am sorry I mentioned it at all now. I thought I was doing the right thing by helping you prepare mentally in case it happens rather than getting an ESA letter out of the blue and panicking about it. But in hindsight I think you're much better off just forgetting about the ESA for now and focussing on the UC and your Mum instead. I wasn't aware of your Mum being in hospital when I first mentioned it.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 392 Empowering

    @OverlyAnxious yes you were doing the right thing helping me prepare for whichever scenario may happen & i appreciate.. I guess you know when things pile up & get on top we continuously re ask same questions over & over again & go round in circles especially when full of worry. I'm just concerned it may've been a lot more but if at £12 a week as @Catherine21 says it wouldn't be too bad.. Yes i'll just get the form sent off & hope my advisor is correct. thanks