The Autumn Statement 2023

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  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 253 Empowering
    Votadini said:
    carbow32 said:
    I am so confused here reading this.  I am currently LCWRA.  Does this mean I won't face reassessment again at all or I might up until 2025 but it will be with the descriptors as they currently are ?  

    It means you might be reassessed up until 2025 and if you are it will be with the descriptors as they currently are.
    oh right so are they about to go on a mass reassessment 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    mason50 said:
    I receive £450 esa every 2 weeks . Does that mean I will get the new esa when I move over to UC ? 
    That will depend on what exactly your ESA is made up of. As I advised part of it could be contributions based. It won’t make any difference to your overall benefits entitlement anyway.
  • zane
    zane Online Community Member Posts: 201 Contributor
    mason50 said:
    Thanks poppy I think I’m just getting confused with it all . I’m not sure if it’s contributions based . How can I find this out please ? 

    If you're in the Support Group and you receive more than £129.50/week then at least part of it will be Income Related. Either way, it doesn't really matter because you're claiming Tax credits so you will be migrated across to UC at some point soon.

    If it's part contributions based then £129.50/week will continue as normal but be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.
    Hi my claim in support group since my partner in support group my claim but I get no tax credit does mean my benefits be stop next year then since me and my partner can’t work 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    zane said:
    mason50 said:
    Thanks poppy I think I’m just getting confused with it all . I’m not sure if it’s contributions based . How can I find this out please ? 

    If you're in the Support Group and you receive more than £129.50/week then at least part of it will be Income Related. Either way, it doesn't really matter because you're claiming Tax credits so you will be migrated across to UC at some point soon.

    If it's part contributions based then £129.50/week will continue as normal but be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.
    Hi my claim in support group since my partner in support group my claim but I get no tax credit does mean my benefits be stop next year then since me and my partner can’t work 
    No they will not stop. They will continue as normal.

    My comment that you quoted was answering someone else’s question about managed migration to UC.

    As you’re claiming Income Related ESA and not Tax credits as well then you will remain on ESA until at least 2028. 
  • charl1234
    charl1234 Online Community Member Posts: 280 Empowering
    Bless u it's a scary time , I was told people on normal JC  conditions there UC stops after 18 months by a friend but it seems only if they refuse work placement I think, it's the changes to wca that scare me , who's classed as venerable as someone who regularly self harms as does my partner are we? Who knows
  • charl1234
    charl1234 Online Community Member Posts: 280 Empowering
    I will say I've seemed and receive help 
  • Skyla
    Skyla Online Community Member Posts: 21 Contributor
    As if applying for PIP isn't bad enough with the dehumanising way they treat you..took years to appeal having been refused help and have suffered debilitating pain for 32 years of my life. So to only just be in receipt of it after years of begging for help, we now all face these evil threats. None of us choose this life of misery and the whole idea of PIP is to help ease our struggles a little yet now they want to take it away to make us suffer even more? The lucky millionaires who sit at their desk with their huge pay checks think that we are jail a bunch of scroungers that can't be arsed? They're the sick ones. Sick. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Skyla said:
    As if applying for PIP isn't bad enough with the dehumanising way they treat you..took years to appeal having been refused help and have suffered debilitating pain for 32 years of my life. So to only just be in receipt of it after years of begging for help, we now all face these evil threats. None of us choose this life of misery and the whole idea of PIP is to help ease our struggles a little yet now they want to take it away to make us suffer even more? The lucky millionaires who sit at their desk with their huge pay checks think that we are jail a bunch of scroungers that can't be arsed? They're the sick ones. Sick. 

    PIP hasn't been mentioned in any of the potential changes.
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 256 Trailblazing
    My queries are:

    1. I've been on LCWRA since July or June of this year and I was accepted for PIP around April of this year. This is all due to mental health related issues such as C-PTSD, suicidal, self harm, manic depression and social anxiety. Am I up the creek without a paddle?

    2. Surely jobseekers who can't find work yet actively search even after 18 months wouldn't lose their benefits?

    3. There's a General Election next year, will Labour be as hard on jobseekers and the disabled? Will they enact the Tories' plans? 

    I worry also for people like us post 2025 trying to claim pip and LCWRA, many of these people going to suffer terribly, I don't think I could have coped without the financial sustenance I've received and I'm eternally grateful/thankful.



  • charl1234
    charl1234 Online Community Member Posts: 280 Empowering
    I may be wrong but jobseekers it's only if they don't accept a work placement at 18 months they lose benefits and also I Kay be wrong again but if your suicidal and self harm same as some people in my family I'm not sure if we will be in "" substantially at risk group xxx
  • Grissom123
    Grissom123 Online Community Member Posts: 115 Empowering
    edited November 2023
     From the DWP response to the consultation: 'These changes to the WCA will apply to new claims for ESA and to UC claimants who report a health condition and require an assessment.'

    And from the DWP press release earlier today about the WCA changes: 'These changes will not affect existing claimants whose circumstances remain the same, reflecting the need to ensure a continuity of service for them, and will mean that these claimants will not lose money as a result of the changes.'

    From what I can tell the WCA changes being implemented in 2025 will only apply to new claimants. People who are already on LCWRA will stay that way and according to DWP most won't be reassessed: '
    These changes will mean that almost all people who are currently assessed as having LCWRA will never face a WCA reassessment again.'
  • LeoGuaje7
    LeoGuaje7 Online Community Member Posts: 5 Listener
    edited November 2023
    Hi all, new member here. Thanks to you all for the reassuring words posted on here in such a tough time. Those in government are truly awful, awful 'people'.

    It seems that those of us who receive disability benefits should be okay, but does anyone know what will happen when i eventually have to migrate from ESA Support Group to UC? Would this count as a new claim for UC?

    I receive income-related ESA SG and PIP, but the thought of the new WCA assessment is terrifying
  • Grissom123
    Grissom123 Online Community Member Posts: 115 Empowering
    LeoGuaje7 said:
    Hi all, new member here. Thanks to you all for the reassuring words posted on here in such a tough time. Those in government are truly awful, awful 'people'.

    It seems that those of us who receive disability benefits should be okay, but does anyone know what will happen when i eventually have to migrate from ESA Support Group to UC? Would this count as a new claim for UC?

    I receive income-related ESA SG and PIP, but the thought of the new WCA assessment is terrifying
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you are on ESA Support Group, then you keep that award (LCWRA) when you transfer to UC with no need of a reassessment. I'm sure someone else can tell you more.
  • LeoGuaje7
    LeoGuaje7 Online Community Member Posts: 5 Listener
    LeoGuaje7 said:
    Hi all, new member here. Thanks to you all for the reassuring words posted on here in such a tough time. Those in government are truly awful, awful 'people'.

    It seems that those of us who receive disability benefits should be okay, but does anyone know what will happen when i eventually have to migrate from ESA Support Group to UC? Would this count as a new claim for UC?

    I receive income-related ESA SG and PIP, but the thought of the new WCA assessment is terrifying
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you are on ESA Support Group, then you keep that award (LCWRA) when you transfer to UC with no need of a reassessment. I'm sure someone else can tell you more.
    Thank you, that would definitely be logical, but we know that this government don't do logic.
  • mason50
    mason50 Online Community Member Posts: 114 Contributor
    Poppy I’ve looked at my letter from esa and it says limited capability to work addition , extra money because I am in a support group . I also get extra money because I am severely disabled. Will I be forced by the government to go back to work? 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    LeoGuaje7 said:
    Hi all, new member here. Thanks to you all for the reassuring words posted on here in such a tough time. Those in government are truly awful, awful 'people'.

    It seems that those of us who receive disability benefits should be okay, but does anyone know what will happen when i eventually have to migrate from ESA Support Group to UC? Would this count as a new claim for UC?

    I receive income-related ESA SG and PIP, but the thought of the new WCA assessment is terrifying

    Unless you're claiming Tax credits then you won't be migrated to UC until at least 2028. Unless a change of circumstances prompts a move before that.

    When you do claim it, whether it's managed migration or natural migration, then you will be entitled to the LCWRA element from the start of your claim, providing you're still in the Support Group.
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 912 Pioneering
    Wibbles said:
    They have not said anything specifically about disability benefits yet as far as I am aware !!
    apart from a 6.7% rise

    Benefits to stop for those refusing to seek work

    Hunt follows through with a clampdown on benefits.

    He says that if, after seeking a job for 18 months, a claimant has still not found employment they will have to take part in a mandatory work placement "to increase their skills and improve their employability".

    And if they "choose not to engage with the work search process for six months, we will close their case and stop their benefits", he says.

    THIS DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE DISABLED


      On first reaction says a clamp down on benefits "If after seeking work for 18 months"
      This would mean people who are already fit for work and have a WORK COACH that contacts them every month where within that month the claimant must also look for work and show in their journal that they have applied for jobs.  In having been through this process these are the errors.
    1.  How many people on the dole and not in the LWRAG have actually had to go to the job center to sign on and had to show their journal before signing in the last 2 years?  
    2.  The Sick Certificate is their for a reason. If the "Doctor"signs you off then its only you or another doctor that can stop the sick note.  By doctor I mean Medical Registered Professional on the BMR for medical personal.
    e.g.  Doctor gives you a note for 6 months, in the mean time a Physio gives you treatment and the problem is relieved by them or an operation fixes the problem ( dislocated finger) after treatment you are fit and ready to return in 4 months then they can sign you off.
      I know this may cause some to not agree, but an assessment completed by an assessment company hired by the DWP to assess cannot sign you off.  Since under DUTY OF CARE they would have to write in your MEDICAL FILES that they have done so.
    3.  Increasing skills and employability should be part of your process to return to work not just to get you off the DOLE.  If you not fit your not fit.
    Dont worry I'm not.   
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 912 Pioneering
    I left a comment yesterday but would also like to add this.
      Changes to Work Capability Assessment (WCA)

    The Government is going to make changes to WCA. This is the assessment for the health element of Universal Credit and Employment Support Allowance (ESA). These will only affect new claims, and will not come into effect until 2025.

    The Government wants to reduce the number of people who are declared unfit for work. This means people who are found too unwell to work and have no requirement to look for work to receive benefits.

    Under the changes, more people are expected to be declared fit for work and will be required to look for jobs or have their benefits cut.

    It’s deeply worrying. It could force disabled people to look for work when they aren’t well enough. We will keep campaigning against this.

    These changes will end up pushing disabled people further away from work and plunging more people into poverty.

    While I agree with the posts that it does not specifically state Disabled, and make reference to the scope section My problem is the changes being made to thI have always stated that I did not want the Assessment process scrapped but e Assessment process, above and the highlighted section. says it all.

      I did not see any improvement in the care or administration of Health Care, yet they say they are making changes to the Works Capability Assessment?  We have all seen some of the changes that they want to bring in, including reducing the number of points given or reducing the number of points that could be achieved by removing answers that apply.

      All I see is OUR MONEY being spent on ADMIN (NOT OURS) and getting companies to review the assessment process costing MILLIONS OF POUNDS and what has changed?  Has the lengths of time to get treatment changed, has the ability of the Job Centers to actually get people into the Job centers to discuss their options or give them courses to improve their skill factors?  NO.  

      Why are we still fighting to get anything?  Is there anything about the NHS in the statement?  YES, we have cut the rate of income tax so that not only the police, Fire and NHS will all be better off?  by around £350 A YEAR  That's about £7 a week, BUT THIS IS BASED ON A PERSON EARNING £35,000+   What about everyone else?

      MY POINT: Its not as though he doesn't know he has a problem with payments and care of the sick, long term sick and more importantly the Disabled, which is going up year on year because the care or Duty of Care is just not their.

      How can you improve your quality of life when every rise, and I welcome the other 6.7% rise in penson if 85% of this figure like the 10.1% is lost in tax.

      If you wanted the pensioners to receive something the rise should have gone onto the Applicable Amount meaning that less money taken from the pensions would be taken and actually giving the pensioner or the Disabled more money in their pocket.  By putting it onto ANY MEANS TESTED BENEFIT, is really giving back to the government the rise you have just awarded.

      e.g only:  Excess income £40, 10.1% increase = £44.04, amount after tax = £6.06 you get

    add another 6.75% = another 90p after tax.

    Imaging adding it to you PIP or DWP non means tested benefit?

      16.80% to Care component and the same for Mobility allowances?  

    Sorry not a fan of this budget?  Or the changes to disability assessment without seeing how a person who has no experience of Assessment is allowed to say what the new assessment should look like.

      The person that has the final say, needs to negociate with unions to get the correct assessment for the needs of the claimant.  I used to write risk assessments and method sattement every day for the last 45 years.  EACH Statement was checked and a Duty of Care was applied to reduce the risk of further needs of treatment, by getting it right first time.

     

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 912 Pioneering
    Wibbles said:
    They have not said anything specifically about disability benefits yet as far as I am aware !!
    apart from a 6.7% rise

    Benefits to stop for those refusing to seek work

    Hunt follows through with a clampdown on benefits.

    He says that if, after seeking a job for 18 months, a claimant has still not found employment they will have to take part in a mandatory work placement "to increase their skills and improve their employability".

    And if they "choose not to engage with the work search process for six months, we will close their case and stop their benefits", he says.

    THIS DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE DISABLED


      On first reaction says a clamp down on benefits "If after seeking work for 18 months"
      This would mean people who are already fit for work and have a WORK COACH that contacts them every month where within that month the claimant must also look for work and show in their journal that they have applied for jobs.  In having been through this process these are the errors.
    1.  How many people on the dole and not in the LWRAG have actually had to go to the job center to sign on and had to show their journal before signing in the last 2 years?  
    2.  The Sick Certificate is their for a reason. If the "Doctor"signs you off then its only you or another doctor that can stop the sick note.  By doctor I mean Medical Registered Professional on the BMR for medical personal.
    e.g.  Doctor gives you a note for 6 months, in the mean time a Physio gives you treatment and the problem is relieved by them or an operation fixes the problem ( dislocated finger) after treatment you are fit and ready to return in 4 months then they can sign you off.
      I know this may cause some to not agree, but an assessment completed by an assessment company hired by the DWP to assess cannot sign you off.  Since under DUTY OF CARE they would have to write in your MEDICAL FILES that they have done so.
    3.  Increasing skills and employability should be part of your process to return to work not just to get you off the DOLE.  If you not fit your not fit.
    Dont worry I'm not.