Upcoming changes to benefits

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    I think it may of been me mentioning the points in regards to assessors. If these changes come in I will definitely record any assessments and challenge to points.

    I understand exactly what you’re saying in regards to cooking . I can’t turn taps on without forgetting and flooding us. My sons now banned me as I’m also hard of hearing so don’t even hear the water splashing . I also get lost in unfamiliar places and get confused with left and right .

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 16

    Yep this is right, if they abandon the freeze, that puts more emphasis on eligibility changes, as you said a freeze is far more preferable and reasonable and savings do add up if its multiple years in succession, whilst the losses also add up the same way, you are right in my opinion this is far easier to endure knowing that people wont lose eligibility. The wrong part of it drawn the media attention.
    Do we have statistics for how standard/enhanced awards are broken down?

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    edited March 16

    The calculation used is based on a PIP freeze of £5 per week per person. That's £260 a year. We do not get £260 a year extra year on year🤣

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 16

    In another thread I used standard daily living as a standard which was was about £8.70 every 4 weeks, but I have no idea what the average award amount is. I also assumed an inflation rate of 3%. January 2025 CPI was 3%.

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    edited March 16

    This is more like it! £113.10 / yr x 3 = £339.30 saving per person over a 3 year period. You x this number by the amount of claimants

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 888 Championing

    I assure you for the most part my basic maths here correct

    (The only thing is the £5 I’ve used as the average a pip award rises by inflation was used for simplicity - the 1.7%? benefit rise is particularly low and I think only worth about £1.5 a week for pip mobility low end, £2 a week standard care and £3.5 to £5 a week for both elements - usually the rise with inflation would be worth more……..there’s an argument that I should of used £4 in my sums as the average over £5 and I’m sure ppl can divide by 5, then multiply by 4 to readjust my original figures if they want to)

    Also you think that only simple addition is required for the calculations but simple algebra is also required

    You are adding y+y+y=3y

    When it’s actually (because each yr benefit freeze costs more than the previous year due to current yr inflation adding to the previous yr)

    So it’s actually you need the following formula when calculating a benefit freeze savings over multiple consecutive years:

    y+2y+3y=6y

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    edited March 16

    I respect your time and effort for the post but again, i am on full PIP, enhanced for both daily living and mobility. I do not get £260 increase every year. I do not know where you are getting this from. Are you getting weeks mixed up with months??

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 300 Pioneering
    edited March 16

    Yes, I think it was :)

    I work in an environment where it's useful to be highly literate and where IT skills are important. But there are also parts of my job that I avoid because of the logistical struggle to complete it, even though they're not considered 'hard' by my colleagues. Fortunately I work in a supportive environment and we all balance each other out - there are other tasks I can do more quickly than some of my colleagues can - but it just shows how blanket assumptions about disabilities are not helpful in working out what someone can do as a job. All workplaces are complex. It's not about 'mild' or 'serious' or 'profound' anything. It's about whether your skills are suited or not.

    And if you have a fluctuating condition, even more so. I definitely have days my executive function is worse than others. On those days I am extra careful about how I complete my workload. I am also better in the morning, so I have asked my colleagues to schedule more complex tasks in the morning session, even if it means I often take the busy shift. These are all reasonable adjustments which were decided informally in my workplace among ourselves, because my manager is lovely and my team are great. But how many workplaces are willing to really sit down and do that with each and every disabled jobseeker?

    I can also only work part time. Right now I work 21 hours a week, which is 3 full days. My bus is so bad that getting there and back is an extra 2 and a half hours travelling and waiting around on top of that. I often get in from work and crash for an hour or more. Many advertised jobs expect full time or are not as flexible as they advertise - which counts out people like me. The most I have ever managed to work is 25 hours. Any more than that causes complete burnout meltdown, which ultimately led to me leaving the position.

    This is why they need to speak to us, not to the media or to "organisations" about work.

    I have no confidence in people who don't even understand the disabilities concerned to make the right decisions for our dignity or quality of life.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    why do you think they didn’t go down that route , especially as it’s a benefit for those who work too?

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 258 Empowering

    I've been on enhanced since first applying for PIP; the award goes to 2028.

    To keep this short, I handed in over 99+ pieces of supporting evidence(it was even remarked on by the assessors lol)

    PIP have scrutinised everything to the nth degree ! -specialist contacts etc.

    So with all these changes and the obvious chance of errors in assessments; the overall unfairness in certain cases. How would someone with constant variable symptoms that will never cease; somehow manage the costs of living after their money is reduced ,or entirely cut. How would someone manage to survive?

    Especially if they have no friends or family.

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 14 Connected

    Im on enhanced living and mobility and the weekly increases from 2018 - 2025 are

    PIP

    LIVING

    85.60

    87.65

    89.15

    89.60

    92.40

    101.75

    108.55

    110.40

    MOBILITY

    59.75

    61.20

    62.25

    62.55

    64.50

    71.00

    75.75

    77.05

    WEEKLY

    145.35

    148.85

    151.40

    152.15

    156.90

    172.75

    184.30

    187.45

    WEEKLY INCREASE

    3.50

    2.55

    0.75

    4.75

    15.85

    11.55

    3.15

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 888 Championing

    sadly I only have benefit rise with inflation figures for 2025/26 year

    The dwp wanted to start any pip rise in 2026/27 which there no data for that financial year yet (nor the 27/28 or 28/29 years) - though with everything going on in the world yearly inflation could be much higher than then the % used for benefit up-rating this financial year

    I’d love to have the future data so I can give you all more accurate sums (though it may overwhelm some of you if I calculated to the pence

    I put my hand up and say I’ve never had training in accounting or being a economist

    But my maths skills are pretty solid

    Also cpi was messed up in terms of 2025/26 welfare uprating - the state pension got the full 4% rise but reeves/kendall fiddled a bit with the exact dates used in calculating cpi for incapacity benefits (which I think pip is included in that but I’m not sure)

    More explanation see below:

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10105/CBP-10105.pdf

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering

    So it's a total of £163.80 per year increase for someone on enhanced / enhanced for 2025 / 2026

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,077 Championing

    They likely avoided that route because reducing a benefit like PIP, which supports both those in and out of work, could discourage employment rather than promote it. Many individuals rely on PIP to manage the extra costs associated with their health conditions whilst working. Cutting it might unintentionally penalise working individuals with disabilities, undermining efforts to make work more attractive and accessible for claimants they are encouraging to give work a try.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    I don’t think they’ve considered that our carers will have to work and government will have to pay at least minimum wage for a carer .

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 947 Pioneering

    @worried33 I don't know how to link im sorry, it was mostly management jobs, there was only 2 pages. Bottom of first page was an admin type job in Wrexham. I think it was the second page that was work coaches jobs or the work psychologist that refers to work coaches.

    I'll be posting very shortly re Equality Act 2010.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    I have ME and fibromyalgia plus other conditions as secondary. My conditions fluctuate throughout the day . I literally never have a good day . Always pain somewhere and always fatigued. Is Wes steering going to find a cure where my specialist was able to ?

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    edited March 16

    Looks like the average weekly PIP rise for enhanced / enhanced over the last 8 years was £6.01

    I think i should 🤐🤣

  • axab43
    axab43 Online Community Member Posts: 42 Contributor

    Do you know where the new point system is shown?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    but by removing pip altogether is worse . Are they just incompetent are evil ? Maybe a bit of both

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