Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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Whats that the white paper ? What did it say
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I thought had to go through parliament for changes this is horrific
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Catherine they do
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/white-paper/
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I just googled it on Government white paper get Britain Working and all this stuff came up
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@Jane315STARX The government haven't released anything yet, its going to be in the spring. What exactly is it you have read?
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I think I will personally wait until we get a definative answer to what their actual palns are. I agree that what's in that white paper can read as certain as to what labour are planning on doing to benefits. Many of the things in it may be changed or watered down by the time it's implemented, opposed to by other M.P's and disability groups, or some things scrapped altogether. I totally get why people get anxious, full of fear and dread about these changes, but I honestly don't believe they could force someone deemed too unwell to work into any job they are unfit to do so, it would be too dangerous and irresponsible, and there are still strict laws around employment rights for the disabled, whether that may be physical or mentally. I think we have enough people fighting on our behalf to stop anything dangerous happening to us or forcing us into any kind of work we're unable to do.
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I read this one
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@charlie72 I hope you are right
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As soon as I read the white paper I contacted my MP to let her know my thoughts on it and my barriers to entering work. I worked the whole of my life until I get ME/CFS and then Diabetes and also Fibromyalgia which means I can no longer work. My MP responded and said that she would present the information to government. I think the more of us that email our MPs the more chance we have of being heard.
I know we say that there is no point worrying until it goes through parliment process but that is so hard to do.
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I totally agreed Unfortunately I although I think this is an extremely good idea I don't think Kier Starmer will budge on this.Winter fuel has already been taken away despite total uproar and it's already having an affect from child dla to pip not being awarded ( take of that what you will).But it will have a detrimental affect on the country as each person's mental health and health generally affects those around them.i.e dependants for example
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Hi everyone, hope you're alright.
I'm really worried too because I can't do any kind of work.
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Gps aren't as supportive as well as government is putting them under pressure with budget cuts . The evidence for assessment isn't always easy aquire especially if your disability is hidden and not visible to naked eye.
The therapy and cmht are non profit charities so insensitive s to get people back to work.
Some people will find this hard and deteriating with there illnesses and some it will benefit and flourish. But there's no middle you either benefit or a fountain of struggles
Problem is everything is becoming slowly privatised . So it's policies and procedures your fighting for your rights. With a government directive mental health act disability act or human rights conflicting with privatisation policy and procedures.
It's a difficult time. I'm just looking at what if and when I am forced what I could do with my limitations health which will dibilitate me the least.
Its scary time of uncertanty. Especially as human rights law will br adjusted and what will be the adjustments. All we can do is hope
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Is this objective of getting everyone back to work for every illness as I have essential Tremors and FND on the pip and essa live in sheltered housing with a warden I see my Nurologist yearly and recently had my Pip assessment on phone lasted lo ger than a war and peace novel and told I would be on pip ten years The Government have removed heating from elderly now uts our turn, pity they don't refuse payrises
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Reform's 2024 Election manifesto extract:
“Circumstances can conspire against any one of us to leave us unemployed, seriously ill and unable to work, perhaps even facing bankruptcy and homelessness. UKIP is fully committed to maintaining a strong and supportive safety net for those who fall on hard times, whether through any fault of their own or not.” UKIP 2015 MANIFESTO> PAGE 22 Our common sense approach to benefits includes: -• Supporting a lower cap on benefits• Cracking down on benefit fraud• Ending welfare tourism with a five-year ban on benefits for migrants• Stopping child benefit being paid to children who don’t live in the UK• Limiting child benefit to two children for new claimants. HOUSING BENEFITS The ‘bedroom tax’ is clearly unfair and is not working. Changes to the way housing benefit is paid are leading some tenants to fall into debt. The Conservative threat to withdraw Housing Benefit from the under-25s may cause even more suffering. UKIP will:• Scrap the ‘bedroom tax’• Continue to pay Housing Benefit to young people under the age of 25• Give tenants the right to request Housing Benefit is paid direct to their landlords, whatever benefit scheme they are on. DISABILITY BENEFITSUKIP is fully committed to protecting the rights of disabled people, as set out in Article 19 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. We wholly endorse the right of the disabled to access in home, residential and community support services and we support their inclusion in our communities. We also recognise that there will always be disabled people who are unable to work and we are committed to supporting them through a fair and fit-for-purpose welfare system.
We will end unfair ATOS-style Work Capability Assessments and return assessments to GPs or appropriate specialist consultants, who have full access to patients’ medical records and are likely to know the patient.
We believe this makes them the best person to undertake assessments and we will ensure they are adequately funded and resourced to take on this task. We will also:• Require GPs/specialists to notify the Department for Work and Pensions when they believe a patient is well enough to return to work, by issuing a ‘fit note’•
Remove ‘tick-box’ and quota arrangements from sickness and disability assessments, thereby streamlining and speeding up the assessment processes and continually respecting claimants throughout the process
SUPPORTING CARERS Millions give up work, or work reduced hours, to care for elderly or disabled relatives. In doing so, they make a huge contribution to society, although often at great personal and financial cost.
We will:• Increase Carers’ Allowance from £62.10 per week to match the higher level of Job Seekers Allowance, currently £73.10 per week, an extra £572 per year• Improve carers’ access to support by sharing information on benefit and social care entitlements andsupport groups across all public services.
INVESTING IN FOODBANKS It is deeply regrettable that there is increasing demand for foodbanks in 21st century Britain. If those who attend foodbanks are in such dire straits that they need food handouts, there is a high likelihood that they will also need additional support to deal with issues such as debt, family breakdown, addiction and poor physical or mental health. Many will need employment or legal advice. We will therefore contribute to the important work done by food banks and develop them into community advice centres for those most in need. UKIP will train and fund the cost of 800 advisers to work in 800 foodbanks, so the poorest in our society have free and easy access to timely help in their hour of need.
We will also exempt foodbanks and charity shops from charges imposed by local authorities to dispose of unwanted food waste and other goods. They are not ‘businesses’ in the sense most of us understand the term and therefore should not be expected to pay fees for waste disposal. We want to see a welfare system that is fairer, simpler and less open to abuse. Our approach is one that firmly opposes the ‘benefits lifestyle’ but also addresses the c…
[see more in Reforms 2024 Manifesto]
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No idea but it seems there is no compassion for ANYONE.If there is none for a 90 year old who has given his whole life for this country ( just an example) then there is no hope for someone like me in their 50s with just 6 illnesses and severe depression
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There ae some good points made here. The main thing I do need to address is people worrying about being forced back to work when they have mental health problems. The new government have said their main aim is to get people off "long term sickness" this is not the same as being disabled. Long term sick implies that at some point in the future, you'll not be sick soon or in a few years. And just like physical health, mental health is a spectrum.
Someone with a badly broken leg may be seen as long term sick, but will be ok to return to work in the future when they recover from all the operations. But someone may be missing a leg and would be classed as disabled.
Someone with depression may be seen as long term sick, but will be ok to return to work after some therapy and medication. But some will have a lifelong condition and would be classed as disabled.
It will vary greatly from person to person who can and cant work, but please don't think they'll be forcing people to work when they really can't. Their aim is to support people into work. Which is what they've been discussing with Scope since the new government have been in office and they've been looking to improve their Access to Work service too to help. They truly sound like they've been listening to disabled people too. So please don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, especially when the papers don't have your best interests at heart, they just want to make more money. It's also worth noting a lot of the things the papers are yelling about were things the previous government had done or planned.
Trust me, if the changes aren't done well, I'll be just as angry and upset as you all will be and if change is needed, then we'll do our best to fight for that change and get the correct information to you, as and when it is available. 😊12 -
That was 2015 changed big time since then
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Thank you Catherine, my attention can be baad, memory problems, and many other disabilities.
I think SCOPE and other disability - and AGE UK charities, should campaign to ensure DWP Doctors do not assess disabled people capabilities for work, but for the DWP to ask other doctors in the NHS: GPs, consultants, etc.
As DWP doctors are paid to overlook our disabilities, and are not impartial or independent.
I have not attended any disability benefit assessment for about 20 years, as they have adversely affected my health, and even led to suicide attempts (part of the stress was the endless prospect of 6 monthly tests.
And the DWP do have a duty of care, and must not endanger a person's life.
Can you give us an update on Reform's most recent manifesto?
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This is Reform 2024 manifesto, not great from Disability news service. That woman Elizabeth Oakshot I think her name is on Talk tv is Richard Tices partner
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Oh I'm sorry I'm clueless on manifestos oh I know the assessments horrendous does unviseral credit have a duty of care well to be honest they don't follow that rule the system is made to break you even when you do go to assessment in person the waiting room everything is very clinical so it's hard enough already if thier changing goal posts going to be impossible it's so hard not to worry and try and guess thier plans I'm sorry they did this to you and all of us and how many people have already hurt themselves through pure terror god I wish I could get out of this inhumane system even tge staff who work there are pushed to the brink soulless job so it filters down
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