The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Iam on PIP and OLD STYLE ESA (CONTRIBUTION BASED) since around 2012.
It looks like the esa is being lumped into one and then we would need to apply for UC. But as a household I wouldn't then get any money from UC. I have a partner but that doesn't mean he can support me financially. What do people in this situation do?
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Anyone with ESA contribution based, if that proposal goes ahead, seems to be that they will lose their entitlement eventually. As well as any NI contributions for their future pension.
So if you are on ESA contributions based I would reply to their green paper pointing that out/email your MP
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"So a estimated 600,000 of us on LCWRA but not PIP will be dropped like a sack of hot potatoes and recieve no health element money and suddenly be expected to look for work despite being put into the previously unfit for work "support group".
This is a an excellent remark that I'll mention in their damn consultation.
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It seems to be that is what they're wanting to do. However we need more clarification where it says for 'new people claiming' only? Hopefully we will get this in the coming days/weeks from the government.
53. Unemployment insurance would be a new non-means tested entitlement for people who have contributed into the system. It would be created by replacing contribution-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) with a new single entitlement, paid at the current ESA rate (currently £138pw) and will be time-limited. This would provide stronger income protection during periods of unemployment for those with a recent work record, while revitalising the ‘something-for-something’ contributory principle in the working-age system. People claiming this would be expected to actively seek work, with easements for those with work-limiting health conditions.
54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.
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You can't be awarded PIP with only 4 points. A claimant needs to meet one 4 point descriptor and gain a further 4 or 8 points with other 4s or lower.
It is sad to think a total score of 20 will no longer result in an award because of the need to meet a 4 point descriptor.
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Hi. Thanks for reply. I have replied to their paper. But I don't think that is going to matter as i think this was one of the things that was going ahead without consultation? My problem is I have my own bills etc to pay I am not supported by my partner. But they would take his salary into consideration which I see none of and I will then get no money. I'm sure there are many people like me. It would leave me with no options this .
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When the Tories proposed to merge PIP and WCA, Labour were all furious and opposed, and now they want to legislate what they exactly were fiercely opposed to just a few months ago!
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Yes. As time passes and the impacts become clearer we'll want to work through the consultation again. It's not something to be rushed. It takes careful thought. I'd advise people to make a clear case rather than angry or sarcastic comments.
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Can I just say I wouldn't worry as you have an award that doesnt end for atleast 8 years and so much could have changed by then, Labour have said they wont reassess until the award time so there wont be mass reassessments when or if the new points system get put in place.
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@sparrow77 This is what my partners said ^
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I’m in NI & like many others, get 9 daily living points but only 3 in any one descriptor. I have an ongoing award due for a light touch review after 10 years ( in 2027 ). So it looks like that will now be a full review with the possibility of loosing daily living. I have realised though, that I haven’t updated PIP about 2 more conditions which I’ve been diagnosed with in the time since I had my rate awarded. They do impact the amount of care & support I need. So do I tell them ASAP & trigger a review or let it run til we see what makes it through to legislation?
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Sadly far to many people cannot see the dangers that are in front of them until it hits them in the face!
What I mean is people will complain about people on sickness as theres a thought that people who are sick and ill and living the life of luxury so they want it stopped not realising that not only are most people who are sick not living lifes of luxury and there may also come a time when they need help and it wont be there for them which could leads to all sorts of financial difficulties!
Its not just this example its other such as having one bad policeman makes them all bad or one bad kid in a big family makes that family bad! Most of us will probably know people that think like that as there are far to many narrow minded blinkered people in the UK now!
IMO whats really happening more and more is literal class warfare between the mid to lower classes, call it conspiritorial if you like but if you open your eyes just a little more you may see divides not getting smaller but growing bigger as each generation goes by.3 -
The Society held an online meeting earlier.
There's only 340 members so its small but 310 have said they will never vote labour again.
Its somewhat ironic Ed Miliband has given an interview to the Guardian and the headline is talking about betrayal of the people by the Tories, The entire point Ed Labour was elected was partly to restore trust they have fallen into the same trap the libdems did in 2010. This is something they will not recover from and will cost them a 2nd term. There are so many seats out there with such tiny majorities as for the damage in Scotland.
Todays borrowing figures just confirm yet again why Reeves is just a bad chancellor.
Borrowing higher the expected the figures are going the wrong way, Its Austerity
sooner or later one of the offices that release the state of the economy are going to just call it out.
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But remember the projected figures for claimants losing pip is 100s of thousands or even over a million that I’ve read . All ppl with medical diagnoses. I’m not saying no one finds a way to con the system but a million ? IMO the government are using the few who aren’t entitled to pip as an excuse to penalise us all . Remember once they charge the points or the descriptors we are then classed as not sick or disabled enough not because we are cured but because labour have moved the goal posts . Over night we go from disabled to someone not disabled enough for pip. I’m not even convinced they’re doing it just for the money . I believe they enjoy hurting the weak and vulnerable. Anyone that has no use to society , survival of the fittest .
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This all day long, I added the points up and I think its 21 points could be scored in the 10 descriptors but still not make you eligible for PIP Daily living but get 4 on one descriptor and you do! Its so stupid they cannot have thought this through surely?
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I forgot to add that you need to get another 4 points on top of that 4 points in one descriptor, my bad!
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Crazy isn't it and yet MPs among so many others are agreeing with this!
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Hi all, just clarifying that the general consensus surrounding those of us on NS ESA (support group) is that we are still subject to the current WCA up until 2028?
My award letter doesn’t state an end date and it was only awarded last month.
Really hoping the pushback and pressure generated from this green paper results in an honouring of current claimants given the wording of “for new people claiming”, or that it’s just very watered down :(1 -
You are absolutely right, @Maggie37: the list just keeps growing. There seems to be no logic to these decisions at all. If they truly cared about disabled people, they wouldn’t even consider cutting essential support as a way to fix the economy. Taking away money that disabled people rely on isn’t just unfair….it’s completely unjustifiable.
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The DWP consultations just keep getting worse and worse, the things highlighted in the b&w article show that they havent learnt anything from the court defeat, they will likely be banking that no one will challenge it in court.
Also the warning that the law for the 4 point change might be in place by end of July this year even if its not kicking in until Nov 2026.0
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