The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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This. Everyone gets reviewed on PIP, unlike ESA its not an ongoing award as standard. So it basically affects any review after Nov 2026, whenever that may be. For me it will be probably 2028, potentially 2029 if back logs are still bad.
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I am not convinced by that message they have even read the green paper properly.
Resumption of WCA's is before the 2 year mark as is the 4 point change to PIP. They have an opinion that challenging the new consultation "might" delay both of these things but are not even sure if it will be challenged.
They seem to think the only thing happening in that time frame is the shift to face to face assessments.
Their post needs more details or a follow up to clarify these things.0 -
@noonebelieves yet, we have Starmer banging on about their actions being 'morally correct'.
What would be morally correct would be removing Rachel From Accounts as Chancellor, and replacing her with someone who understands governing a country does not operate like balancing a family's budget.
I used to believe Gideon Osborne (towel-folder extraordinaire) was the worst Chancellor I would see in my lifetime.
I was wrong.
I've said before, when I watched Kendall with Michael Portillo (as experts sharing their wisdom on a weekly basis) on the Andrew Neil Show she really, REALLY consistently came across as much more right-wing than either Portillo or Neil.
If even I could see that in her, it means Starmer chose her specifically for the role to which she finds herself over-promoted.
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Daily Mail, which is known of having been spreading lies about benefits and stirring up hatred against benefit claimants is now writing:
"Welfare reforms are all pain, no gain".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14517461/Welfare-reforms-pain-no-gain-Labour-hopes-5billion-savings-2-study-says.html0 -
When filling in the consultation, please don't forget to also suggest abolishing reassessment of the current claimants on LCWRA as the Tories proposed.
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What's going on is awful but there is a hell of alot of support.
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I'm all for an Angie takeover at this point.
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This is heartening to see. Love Brian Cox!
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Brian Cox is a legend! Never one afraid to speak his thoughts.
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@Girl_No1 ,well said, and just to add about these three as a snapshot:
Rachel Reeves – Known for restricting winter fuel payments, making life harder for pensioners. Honestly, it’s like she has a special vendetta against pensioners 🙄
Keir Starmer – Believes it’s somehow “moral” to slash disability benefits for the most vulnerable disabled people in our society. It really seems like he’ll try anything irrational and immoral… Truly frightening 😰
Liz Kendall – So obsessed with her £6 billion saving that she’d scrape the last morsel of food off disabled people’s plates. Does she even care about human/equality rights for disabled people? 🤔
Is there any civic sense in any of these three?
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Aside from all the nonsense about them doing us a favour by restoring dignity through work, a) where are all these jobs coming from, b) are they not all about utilising AI etc. to minimise jobs, and c) in the very obvious absence of said jobs, do they believe burgeoning unemployment stats. will favour them more than caring for the vulnerable?
Also, they appear to have forgotten ESA was introduced by Labour in the first instance in order to massage their unemployment stats. that were killing them at that time.
I'm beginning to think at least Trump (whom I loathe with every fibre of my being) was at least honest when, during his campaign, he outlined all the heinous moves he intended and is now implementing.
The more I think about this, the more raging I become.
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If this consultation is also ruled illegal, the DWP still holds these files, I presume.
Don't overshare the barriers you face in your responses because
1. They know all this from the first reassessment programme 2011 to 2014
2. DWP wants to develop 'personalised support' for claimants
Think!
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Loss of key protection is ‘nightmarish’ demonstration of green paper’s bureaucratic violence, say activists
By John Pring on 20th March 2025 Category: Benefits and Poverty
A tiny detail in the disability benefits green paper that suggests the government will scrap a key protection for claimants at extreme risk of harm is a “nightmarish” demonstration of the bureaucratic violence being inflicted on disabled people, say activists.
The grassroots, user-led mental health group Recovery in the Bin (RITB) said the move was an example of “structural bureaucratic slow violence” and “the very definition of the banality of evil”.
They spoke out after work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall said she would scrap the work capability assessment (WCA) and rely on the personal independence payment (PIP) assessment process to decide if out-of-work disabled people are entitled to extra support on top of their basic universal credit allowance.
But scrapping the WCA, which is not likely to happen until 2028, would also mean the end of the “substantial risk” regulations that have protected countless disabled people at risk of suicide and other harm if found fit for work or work-related activity.
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) – and the Department of Social Security before it – has been trying to get rid of the regulations for nearly 30 years, but has twice been defeated by the courts.
But it did manage to weaken the regulations in December 2015, a move which led to far fewer people with mental distress being able to rely on their protection.
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I think we are all distressed by the changes to PIP but it's not acceptable to attack fellow claimants.
How do you know that PIP is an "income choice" for many claimants? I'd much rather have enjoyed a healthy life.
PIP is not a "top up". It enables somes claimants to work. It's non means-tested status is essential and must remain.
Every PIP claimant is assessed, some on paper if they can provide adequate evidence.
I doubt that "half the City of Birmingham" receives PIP. Do you have the data.
To suggest that "a good proportion" of PIP claimants are claiming without real clinical need is not a "rant" it's propaganda equal to the the foul right-wing gutter press.
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the creation of the insurance employment is being consulted. So they have to follow the whole procedure before implementing it.
Keep as much pressure as you can.
If it does go ahead it will be horrific for everyone.2 -
I think it would be a good idea for you to keep your disdain directed only to the government, not the minority of people who defraud PIP (if indeed there are any).
"I didn't vote for this lot, never will again. I hope everyone who did now regrets it deeply" and "not everyone has people around them to fight their corner".......... There's a most definite sense of blame in your last couple of posts.
well, I'm one of those people.
I'm a Labour person, always have been. I won't apologise or accept/feel ANY blame for what Labour are doing. This is as far removed from what Labour stands for and not what I voted for.
I won't waste even a moment of more time regretting the vote either and I'm not sure what your suggestion is meant to achieve.
It is enough to know that any regret felt on my part is now going to affect every single day - the fact that if these changes go ahead, which I suspect they will, that's curtains then for me and my dogs as the change will make my already impoverished life unsustainable.
So the worries, and how that affect my health and daily life, doesn't come just in Nov '28 when LWCRA might be stopped, or before then if my PIP is stopped at review in 2026/2027 because I can't get 4 points, it came on Wednesday.
That isn't something I can have the 'luxury' of just worrying, or regretting about in a year or two.
I would be mindful of your choice of lanuage.
I will take responsibility for my own demise whenever that comes but it will still be at the hands of this government if they make my life unsustainable.
Don't allow the bullied to become the bullies.
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I think it will lead to deaths sadly . Starmer has no empathy in true psychopath style . It’s all about him . He must know he won’t get voted in again, let’s face it he wasn’t liked before the election and got in through default. Our only chance is labour getting him and reeves out and that dreadful Kendall. £5b ( never sure if it’s a year or till 2029) is a small amount compared to what there throwing around . What scares me is are they going to change the questions so the 4 points is impossible for most people to get. I hope this gets watered down or stopped through the courts 🙏
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It will definitely be watered down its mass suicide if not do your part write everyday if we have to mps reach outside our areas get clued up people to write statements I'm ordering a blank death certificate fill my details if they refuse me I will put my birth day and my passing the day they refuse me whoever advising them have no intelligence you cannot wipe millions of overnight I don't feel worried don't ask me why I just don't the courts will see everything they done and are doing is insanity definitely leading upto 2030
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