The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    if an MP received 1000 emails from their own constituents, they will know they have an issue

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 30 Connected

    The only positive reactions has been The Sun with usual nonsense a friends cousin got a new TV he sold for drugs demanded and got a new one. Anyone tell me where that mythical realm actually is where they hand out free cars tvs etc? Cos every time I have anything to do with the DWP I get looked at like something they stepped in

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Can primary legislation be challenged

  • Jamieray
    Jamieray Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener

    I am the same and it is scaring the hell out of me. I can only work part time limited hours and I have a mortgage of 30 years. O.K. it is about 350 which is not a lot these days but I don't get any help with that so it is paid out of my PIP. I get 13 points in total and 12 of them are 2 points in 6 factors. I would not get 4 points in any. So, no more PIP means no more ESA disability and severe disability. £90 a week plus £90 part time wage will be my total income. how can I manage my disability need, get fed and cover it. My outgoings are over twice that. I will lose my home, all livelihood and everything I have to live for. Reforms yes. Even if that means more points to get the higher rate. But leaving us all without ANYTHING?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    They said its going through and thier not changing it can you challenge primary legislation

  • dayjarvoo
    dayjarvoo Online Community Member Posts: 10 Connected

    hi

    My mp is Torsten bell :(

    I don’t want to write email as I feel he may get shouty back

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 880 Trailblazing

    So celebrities have spoken out against it, they said to tax rich companies

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 106 Empowering

    Hi Catherine, gosh this whole shambles of a bleep thing is such a disgrace isn't it ! I feel particularly sad for the young and not so young folk who are suffering from very serious mental health, invisible and undiagnosed conditions, this must be really creating more extreme anxiety and it all boils down to money as always 😡

    I got a 10 year award in 2017, I firmly believe it depends on the assessor you get, I was lucky in that mine was an experienced Nursing Sister who was kind, considerate and most importantly was very knowledgeable, aware and knew the impact of my severe and progressive conditions on my life without a million questions or trick questions being asked. Not all my assessments have been this way though but I always backed up everything with both, objective ( test results etc ) and subjective ( lived experience ) evidence and have been given the same award each time but with shorter periods in between assessments, plenty of outright untruths documented by them in past ones. My main conditions are not invisible ones, they are ''in your face'' lol she couldn't deny them even if she wanted to. I do believe if the assessors cant physically see something or there are no objective tests for them then they can and do believe everything is just subjective, there lays the problem, in my opinion.

    I just wanted to try and explain why I feel I was awarded a10 year award and an up and coming light touch review. I do hope these ridiculous and costly ''improvements'' never see the light of day. Take care Catherine and hang on in there, we have many good folk fighting in our corner 😊

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,884 Pioneering

    You could write to members of the Committee for Work and pensions instead. The members are listed here:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/164/work-and-pensions-committee/membership/

    Write to members as individual MPs rather than to the Committee.

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,295 Championing

    i doubt being bombarded with emails will stop them from sleeping at night

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    im not so sure

    Also remember that many of them are newbies

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    The government publishing impact assessments for welfare cuts is for the birds.

    Impact assessments are produced either by the victim or their representation and not by the defendant.

    This should be published either by an organisation or body representing social security payment claimants or an independent third party and not the damn government.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    There are a few who have brought up concerns in private at cabinet before it was announced on Tuesday (Rayner included apparently) but yeah publicly all of cabinet backs it. I guess they have to but it's no less dissapointing to see.

  • LIVEDANDLEARNED
    LIVEDANDLEARNED Online Community Member Posts: 134 Empowering

    @luvpink do you have any links where I can see what you said “The Trussell trust and the MS society have expressed their disgust on GB news.”. I’d like to watch what they said?

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Contributor

    hi albus what makes you think it will not be voted into law ? Any positivity I will take

  • Trev000
    Trev000 Online Community Member Posts: 7 Listener

    I don't understand why what they’re proposing has to be all or nothing. This is far from ideal, but, why, if someone isn't found to qualify for PIP under the new scoring system, can’t the recipient still receive the health top up (LCWRA) perhaps based on their PIP score across the board on a sliding scale. To lose both PIP and the LCWRA while disabled is beyond unfair.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    When I'll be filling in it, I'll say, pay them to have an assisted death in Switzerland, and I'll personalise it.

    It's insane that people on LCWRA would all of a sudden lose their miserable benefits and would be expected to get a job!

    Keir Starmer is an evil of the highest order with profound immorality and wickedness.

    I'm glad I didn't vote for his Labour at the last GE a usual Labour voter, as I saw the writing on the wall, and I wasn't wrong.

    I rather voted the Greens just for the sake of not voting for anything that has to do with dishonest and cruel Keir Starmer.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 9,376 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    There's a lot of unhappiness from the back benches, so it needs to get voted in first, which may not happen.
    But it also may get voted in.
    OR it may get amended first, so it may be 2 points needed or something.
    So we just have to keep using our voices with our MPs. And might I add, please try to be polite with your MPs, they're not the people who've put forward these plans and it's worth having them on our side.

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