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Yes I agree but Labour have called it 'pathways to work' and Citizens advice have correctly called it 'pathways to poverty'.
This government are completely deluded if they think it will save any money because it will cost them a lot more money in the long run.
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"it's just a cost cutting exercise but in the long run it will end up costing them more with appeals, tribunals, hospital admissions, care in the community ect ect ect"
...just as the first failed national reassessment programme did!
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luvpink, Pathways is donkeys years old, like from 2005. It has long been part of the 'welfare-to-work' strategy at DWP.
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Keep emailing this is human rights email them telling how British government treating us
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This is the start of them taking us out of The ECHR also why do we as disabled seems to have less rights look what thoer doing to us
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I agree with everything you say they are taking us back to victorian days if they could leave us alone leave wildlife alone ! Evil
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Someone just put post up saying thoer put pip up as a money bill that's not good at all
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I think I read somewhere it can’t be put up as a money bill
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I’m sure I read on here that it can’t be passed as a money bill
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Really oh pls I hope so does anyone know more on this ?
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Just read it can be and it's the speaker of the house who decides if its a money bill or not
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They know exactly what thier doing there is noting we can do or mps if goes through as money bill
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Tried to contact project law Group and is saying due to high work load can't take anymore on or answer questions seems they backed off as well starmer knows what he's doing no one can challenge this as a money bill pls tell me I'm wrong I want to be wrong
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Seen interview with reeves oh their going ahead with cuts mentioned 9 million inactive people need to go back to work place
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I might be being naive here… but the way I see it, is that there won’t be any u-turn (if any) until the consultation period comes to an end.
I do believe it will be watered down - but with them looking the good guys… probably along the lines after the consultation period and receiving all the responses, and listening to all the voices and concerns we’ve decided we need to reassess and come up with a new proposal.
I do think there high likelihood that they will probably go down the route of if you get 12 points, without 4 points in a DL descriptor (possibly more they could up it) you will keep pip, perhaps at the standard rate. This is a partial win for gov’t … they save money but have satisfied the rebel Labour MP’s. Either way Labour are finished and they know it.
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When the bus passes for pensioners were first introduced, they were for everyone over sixty. Prior to that the situation was a pass that allowed pensioners to pay a discounted fare, and a similar one for people with disabilities. When they introduced the free pass for pensioners, they eradicated most of the eligibility for the disability pass and made it much harder for disabled people to get any kind of bus discount. They also, for a while, made it harder for carers to travel with disabled people without having to pay full fare. There is now a C+ option but that was not there from the start.
You mentioned a Freedom pass, that's a London thing. I'm talking about the England bus pass, which is issued free of charge to eligible residents living in England.
When I said there were people in full time work who drove everywhere getting bus passes, I was talking about actual people I know in this area where I live. I know people who still do this, albeit fewer of them work now the age has upped to state pension age. But there's one regular bus user on our bus who also drives to Scotland fairly often. There are older people who use the local buses who never drive, like my parents. And those who do.
This is how the system actually works. Making it worse is that, even when someone does qualify based on Mobility (Moving Around), if the person is under PIP review at the time the bus pass expires, then they lose their eligibility unless they can go and get additional medical information to cover the time their case is being heard. You have to pay for a doctor's letter, these days. Not everyone can even get access to a GP. Some people lose their independence for months on ends because of these shortfalls. But the guy who drives to Scotland? His comes automatically in the post.
I have some knowledge of processing applications for bus passes, so I've seen how the system works both for age and disability eligible passes. 90% of older people passes are qualified for using an active driving licence.
Sidenote - I have 12 points for Planning a Journey on PIP. This is because I cannot navigate. I can't thus walk to save bus fares, because I get lost and put myself in danger. I also can't safely cycle. Despite this…I'm not automatically eligible for a bus pass. I had to get an additional letter from my GP stating why I needed the bus pass - and every time I come up for renewal, I have to check whether I need to get more evidence. The criteria are constantly being amended at government level, and this has implications down the line. There are people in my area who qualified through various initiatives who have also now lost their passes due to the funding running out.I am glad you find it easy to get your Freedom Pass renewed, but it's not that way everywhere.
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This letter from DPAC was sent to Sir Stephen Timms today. It really is worth a read.
Letter to Stephen Timms: urgent concerns over disability cuts consultation failuresDisabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) has today written to Stephen Timms, the Minister of State for Social Security and Disability, to raise our serious concerns with the quality and fairness of the so-called “consultation” being carried out on disability benefit cuts.We are asking for the consultation to be extended, and for urgent action to address the failings.We urge the government start again on welfare reform, listening to disabled people and carers in a genuine process of co-production.This is what we said in our letter:
Dear Stephen Timms,
I am writing to you on behalf of Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) to urgently raise concerns regarding the accessibility of the consultation on the benefits cuts proposed in the March 2025 Green Paper. In light of the limited time available for the consultation which is due to close on 30 June 2025, you are asked to take urgent action to address our concerns, confirm what steps are being taken and to extend the time available for disabled people to engage with the consultation given the accessibility issues they have faced to date. In order for the consultation to fulfil its purpose. Disabled people who are likely to be affected by proposed benefits changes, must have a proper and meaningful opportunity to engage with the consultation and accessible arrangements must therefore be urgently made to facilitate their proper participation in the consultation.
Our concerns
The face-to-face consultation in Cardiff on the 3rd June was cancelled less than two days after the venue was announced, with only one working day left before the event.
The DWP has claimed that the Cardiff venue cancelled the meeting at the last minute yet the venue itself was already inaccessible to disabled people. No transport to the venue was offered by the DWP for those who wanted to take part.
The booked venue was only revealed at the last minute. This was despite disabled people asking multiple times, over weeks, for information so that they could plan journeys, accommodation, and access requirements. The venue was far out of the centre of Cardiff, and completely inaccessible for many disabled people, especially at such short notice. It would have meant a wheelchair user travelling 1.6 miles unassisted. Shockingly this was the only face-to-face consultation event for the whole of Wales.
People at other DWP consultations in England have had similarly poor experiences. For example, lack of accessibility of the venue led to only 9 out of 15 people managing to attend the in-person consultation event in the South West.
The in-person consultations did not cover the North of England – Carlisle and Newcastle were completely missed out. For Wales, the North and South are poorly connected so any meaningful consultation would require not just an event in the South but another in the North.
In Northern Ireland no face-to-face consultations appear to be taking place at all and the date of the online consultation was only announced last week.
We have also received concerning feedback about the online consultations and the understanding of those conducting the meeting. One attendee reported:
It was also clear that not all participants fully understood the consultation questions or their implications, particularly those without background knowledge of the benefits system. This raises significant concerns about the quality and reliability of the feedback being gathered. At one point, the facilitator was unable to explain New Style ESA or JSA, and I had to step in to clarify how these benefits work, especially for those who do not qualify for income-related support. It was concerning to witness such a knowledge gap from someone facilitating a consultation on welfare reform.
Although we were told that all feedback would be recorded — even on topics not officially included in the consultation — it is unclear how that information will be used or whether it will influence policy development in any meaningful way.
The impact of the failure to make arrangements for accessible and meaningful consultation meetings
Only having online consultations and/or not having sufficient and/or accessible face-to-face consultations is unacceptable because, as I’m sure you’re aware, at least one-third of disabled people do not have access to the internet or the skills needed to take part in an online meeting. This obviously means that many people who will be most affected by the Government’s planned cuts to social security payments will be totally excluded from taking part in any consultation events.
We are concerned that the consultation not only doesn’t deal with many of the policies that are most likely to affect disabled people (as it only deals with 12 out of 22 policies) but fails to properly engage disabled people on those limited topics. We are also concerned that full impact assessments which would inform engagement with the consultation are not available and will not be made available during the course of the consultation.
The whole process to date seems inaccessible, chaotic and incomplete and given how few people are being consulted, both virtually and in person, we are extremely concerned about how representative this process is and whether it meets even the most basic standards of engagement with disabled people and their advocates.
Furthermore it is DPAC’s view that the whole process is flawed and is non-compliant with Articles 4 (3) and 33.3 of the UN CRPD and General Comment 7. It also violates the Gunning Principles and the requirements to make reasonable adjustments under the Equality Act and is therefore potentially unlawful. The only meaningful remedy is to withdraw the proposals and meaningfully engage with disabled people and our representative organisations to ensure all government proposals are compliant with the UN CRPD and equality legislation and ensure progressive realisation of the articles as well as compliance with equality duties. Failure to address these flaws may result in legal action and sanction from the disability committee of the UN.
It is essential that the government start again on welfare reform, listening to disabled people and carers in a genuine process of co-production.
In light of the concerns outlined above and the limited time available, we invite you within 7 days i.e. by June 16th to confirm:
1. What steps are being taken to ensure that online and in-person consultation events are accessible and available to affected disabled people across all relevant regions. This should include ensuring accessible venues, across a range of regions as well as adequate notice to allow for attendance arrangements to be made.;
2. That the time for engagement with the consultation will be extended by at least 4 weeks, to reflect the delays in making accessible arrangements and allow meaningful engagement with disabled people.
We look forward to your response by June 16th.
Linda Burnip
On behalf of the DPAC steering group
c.c. Debbie Abrahams, Chair of the Work and Pensions Select Committee,
Katie Farrington, Director General Social Security, Disability and Pensions
Helga Swindenbank, Head of Disability Services
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Do you think he will listen they dont seem to listen to noting excellent letter thankyou for sharing
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Let's hope so.👍️
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I haven't seen it.
Maybe it will be on the news tonight.
I could be wrong but they seem to be focusing on younger claimants.
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