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That will be one off payments like cost of living. Take away about £12,000 a year and give £300
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Where did you see this Catherine ? The apparent enhanced claimants not getting a 4 is 13% (apparently) , was this what she meant ?
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So so angry with this treatment
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Just don't cut benefits!!
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I think so she said softening pip will allow 13 percent to keep pip then she said what about the 87 percent that won't
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"of 3.7 million total
So - 46% of claimants get fewer than 4 points in daily living !
That's 1.7 Million - who the government want to stop paying."
But neither the DWP nor Whatdotheyknow have said anywhere that those who have scored 4pts on a descriptor in PIP would not be reassessed or would keep their previous points and award upon reassessment.
None of those who have currently 4pts on a descriptor in their records has the guarantee that they'll keep their 4pts upon reassessment/review, or they'll not be reassessed.
Upon reassessment/review, apart from those with a "light touch review" in PIP, which means their review is simplified and is less frequent, often only happening every 10 years, everyone else, whether they previously scored 4pts on one or more descriptors or less, would be subjected to a full assessment, just as if they were new claimants.
No one is safe, in case you're thinking that some are safer than the rest.
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I wonder if anyone has done the maths on this . 1.7 million people most of who get standard rate how much is that over a year plus lcwra .
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about 6.3 billion for the standard rate, don’t know for sure the lwrca, and it’s just in my head so not entirely accurate
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So if you add the 13% on enhanced plus those who also claim lcwra the £3.5-£5billion is conservative. If half claim lcwra that’s almost £10b a year without the 13% enhanced. Thanks for adding that up for me Martin
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I don't think it's worth it to make any calculation based on this 1.7 million. The calculation would only produce incorrect results, as there's what's called in computer programming "Logic error", which is when there is a fault in the logic or structure of the problem.
The 1.7 million figure is just the outcome of a simplistic calculation that's not based upon any facts whatsoever.
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But we know the apparent percentage of those who don’t currently get a 4 point . Obviously that will change with reassessments etc but it’s a rough idea. My point is they’re saying cuts of £3.5-£5 billion but I wonder if they’re expecting to save more without us and MPs knowing. The same way that the figures for those who get enhanced without a 4 point is said to be 13% but was said to be half that .
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" Figures from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) show that changes to the personal independence payment (PIP) assessment and cutting the health top-up in UC will see ill and disabled people lose out on £7.5bn by 2029 – 2030 - by almost £2bn more than what has been widely reported."
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This is a reputable source which I read when it first came out. Thank you @Passerby for showing it here & I'm pleased to see you gave a link to the whole article, which I hope our members read as we need to know more from the OBR in autumn before any proposed changes should be even contemplated.
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For those who are not familiar with this foundation, they've got a relatively large array of educational, enlightening, and informative materials, in the form of articles, audio, and video.
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Doesn’t liz Kendall have to respond today to the work and pensions committee?
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yes 2nd June
For someone on a moral crusade I’m sure she will reply.
I’m looking forward to reading how she is going to save us all from a life of despair and pain.
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she will ignore all the evidence of the issues and repeat we need to get disabled people into work and the help they need to do that I bet
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