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I saw this article today.
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/dwp-modify-pip-universal-credit-31752994#amp-readmore-target
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As we struggle to even function with ME it's impossible to look for work, never mind actually do any! It's like expecting to drive a car with no petrol AND a flat battery,cif you ask me.
I think that 12 point tweak is unlikely to happen and like so many other things the Labour ministers say, there isn't enough detail to it for MPs to be able to make a proper judgement.
The leadership will keep saying that only 10% of people on PIP DL will lose out because it suits their narrative. The actual number, as you've said is 87%.They don't want to admit to that as they know they shouldn't be doing anything like that in the first place.
I think that it has made MPs feel even more fed up with the leadership than they would have been if Kendall and Co had been honest about the number of disabled people who are going to have their lives ruined with these policies.
I believe that it's made MPs more determined to resist the leadership as they know that they are constantly trying to deceive them on what they are going to do to people on PIP, as you have said, a benefit that has a negligible amount of fraud.
As we know, TP is a measily amount of money, as we've found out with the transfer to UC, which with the removal of PIP and all the other benefits etc. that it entitles us to, it will be nowhere enough for us to live on and will run out eventually.
Even if it was enough, there are no other disability benefits we can claim!
Basic UC is at destitution levels and with no support for our day to day functioning. With our health conditions, even with support it still means that we are unable to look for work so we are not going to be able to cope at all!! We cannot be compared to fit and healthy job seekers as ministers would like to imagine!
I won't go into the terrifying situation it will put us into with the DWP and the destroying of our lives. We all know how that would work out. 😞
All of it will hold up in court, they have been going against every equality and human rights law.
However, the ministers have tried to mislead, withhold information and obstruct MPs, ourselves and the general public throughout, hoping they can get the proposals through, knowing that however unlawful it is, there would be a long, hard struggle to fight it and they hope that everyone would just give up (including us) and let them get on with doing whatever they wanted to do to us 😡
That is why the main call from MPs is to make sure that all the information about the impact of the cuts is available for them to study before they come to a decision. That will be in October, not June!
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Reform have chamges the face of politics not just two places parties I believe mcdonnell and Corbyn have plans if they can act on them male a dent form their own groups I don't know
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That's great thankgod they won't be bought
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Oh yes sent a few on here basically saying we will vote you out even with all information that's been coming out how people will lose life's they still want to vote on it ok evil
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I think only my thoughts that reform has shaken the whole political system tories are fourth they will definitely vote against to make labour suffer more and tories look like they care we are a big community maybe they want to win labour greens lib dem voters I emailed green party they said thier against emailed lib dems they said thier against if there wasn't so much pushbacks charties unions so many professionals writing telling them people will die they been getting emails letters social science wrote a damming report they have been exposed and I can imagine alot of his mps despise him he's made to many enemies which is good for us he's to hot to handle a walking liability who would want to be associated with the worst PM ever I think we have a good chance of it been watered down and if we're not satisfied we send more emails and say no kendell has to 2nd to reply to parliamentary committees she will still stick to it all but the power and control is not in her hands if it wasn't those 3 in power and someone else I'd be more worried we have so much support more than I could ever dream off people in back ground waiting for thier next move
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We are looking for hope now I understand why they call starmer flip flop and God are we suffering for it ! It's a thing constantly on the mind yes you see an article and share it never out of malice to break it down sometimes people might be able to help the person who's worried about certain articles yes my doctor tells me not to engage it's impossible hours looking scrolling if people are able not to do that that's amazing scope are on it if they feel things going in a certain direction you can't tell people how to act some people get comfort from sharing and when you voice your opion on that then people feel like they done something really bad so we all feel and think things doesn't mean thier right
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I agree getting desperate saying job cemter wont force people imto any old jobs !! So thiier admitting theu do ? And there is no jobs even tescos shutting earlier because of reeves NI they know the destruction they will cause that's why tightening benefits as how many this year will apply really need to get them out thay have a plan mcdonnell knows he's fighting them hopefully Corbyn and the other good Labour mps onto them they didn't factor in the power of the people this is put life's I'm sending more emails to name and shame saying if you stay loyal to ministers think again they won't care if you lose your seats they will leave multimillionaires
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I've emailed more mps on name and shame and told them you vote for cuts we will vote accordingly come may
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That annoys me given extra time to find other benefits what jsa
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Oh and there's more they respond!!! How disappointed they are in labour hehe laughing like The one out of the exorcist my head was spinning when recieved a letter from leader kemi was like wait a minute an I tripping 😳 Reform has got them chasing thier own tail feathers 🪶 I think mcdonnell corybn abbot Abrahams richard don't know all thier names are plotting something
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births in the UK yesterday 1600 approximately.
illegal boat crossings yesterday 1200 ….
this is why starmer is targeting welfare cuts ….
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Ex Labour Reform supporters are not going to vote Labour again, Labour's biggest threat comes from the Left and the Lib Dems.
The PM should push for massive investment in access to work and work well increasing opportunities but ultimately you can't force employers to hire disabled people and many employers don't want to hire disabled people.
Thing is PIP helps disabled people in work and Labour wants to take that away from them whilst claiming PIP is an unemployment benefit. These lies should come with legal consequences for politicians.
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I am honestly so fed up with that prevarication. The fact they keep avoiding that PIP is a disability benefit and has nothing to do with numbers in employment (both employed and non employed disabled people claim it).
They KNOW it. But they also know most of the media don't care and will continue to report on it as such.1 -
Sorry, my pc had a double post accident. Nothing to see here :)
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How have the MPs not looked at figures and worked it out themselves though? I read labour have said not as many will be affected due to conditions getting worse hence higher scores. So we are now to rely on becoming more sick and disabled to gain extra points and of course hope we get a truthful assessor on the day .
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The truth is, there's too many claiming for the slightest thing. This is what has triggered the cut backs, you only have to read a few in the forums i/e can I get benefits because I'm a student and I get headaches, could I claim PiP. This where it's gone wrong and they've seen it. But now they're targeting everyone, it was easy to push through WFA through because it wasn't a benefit, but it's backfired on him. So now they've got his back up, he'll come down harder on the genuine ones in society. If you think they're going to lay back and give in with the cuts, well think again. He still hasn't said who will get WFA yet. They made the mistake of saying you can only get it with pension credit and that's turned in to a nightmare for him 😂
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Hi Catherine,
There’s a graph from dwp foi regarding the pip 4 points and who gets 4 points currently. It shows that 87% on standard don’t get 4 points plus 13% on enhanced. I think we need to email this breakdown to MPs so they realise it’s not 10% who will lose out. They need the real figures if the vote does go ahead . I can’t remember where I saw that breakdown but I’ll see if can find it tmrw. My fatigue very bad today but I’ll try tmrw and start emailing it to them. Hope you’re well 😀
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Even if they were already passed in law from before he became PM he could scrap the cuts as he’s planning to do to others . He will be responsible for any deaths as will reeves Kendall and Timms
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