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If the press coined it, who am I to argue? I believe the essential distinctions have been clarified between us, thank you for the courteous exchange.
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I think to Conservatives want to target anyone who suffers from stress, autism ect. This makes for grim reading.
https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-starmer-assisted-dying-trump-israel-iran-labour-12593360
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The Tories want Starmer to cut even harder and if Reform had their way there wouldn't be a welfare state.
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OOh She can do one she will be gone and yh the one after her will say the same let's bash the disabled last year Rwanda this year elderly disabled next year the aliens from other space parking thier UFOS and have to have parking permits then year after that be legal to marry Artificial intelligence as they have rights too My advice for all politicians apart from the good ones is Go to Bed best place for you Bore off gives them importance change the recordbeen following the same scare tactics for centuries haven't exactly evolved have they
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Loads this week Mr timms the star
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So Kemi's answer to 'people want change' is more of the same awful decisions only worse than before.
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Robert peston ITV
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
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Starmer is still doing bullying tactics
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open season on disabled people
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Starmer and McSweeney and Reeves and Timms and Streeting and Kendall are doing permanent damage to the Labour party, it's imploding on itself.
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It appears to be taken for granted that the Bill is indeed a Money Bill. I can scarcely believe it. I think we're scuppered.
From "The Guardian":
Why timetable for welfare bill leaves very little time for amendments to be agreed
The timetable for the UC and Pip bill announced by Lucy Powell at business questions today has important consequences for the Labour MPs who want to see it amended. Ruth Fox, director of the Hansard Society, explains them here in a thread on Bluesky.
"The Government cramming Committee, Report & 3rd Reading into 1 day the week after 2nd Reading (so much for intervals between stages...) means if they pull the Bill they will have 2 days of Commons business to fill. But of greater concern is that this timetable has important implications for those Labour MPs who have signed the reasoned amendment. If the Govt promises concessions in advance of 2nd Reading those will only crystallise at Committee Stage on the 9 July. If they are not quite right, or what the MPs think they were signing up for there will be little time for making changes. If normal procedures are followed the Government should table amendments at least one sitting week in advance - so by the end of Wed 2nd July, the day after 2nd Reading. Non Government MPs will be able to table their own amendments up to three sitting days beforehand - so by the end of the sitting on Friday 4 July. But if MPs are not happy with the proposals made they will have to be resolved on the floor of the Chamber itself on the 9th. This is where the lack of time for reflection, taking advice, can get messy with amendments being proposed and voted on almost in real time. The Bill will go to the House of Lords but it is a money bill so the Lords does not normally have a Committee and Report stage (it is “negatived” in parliamentary parlance) to amend the Bill. They debate it at 2nd Reading and then the remaining stages are a formality.
This underlines how important the Commons scrutiny is. There is no revising backstop for money bills."
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What a lovely lady to respond
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But as thier experiencing it's not that easy that's why they wanted to pass without impact statements labour mps been amazing but even before that the pushback was fierce look at Rwanda all dramatics noting happened so if reform got in push back would be the same they can't just cut the welfare state oh they wish they could but they can't big big bullies the world's thier stage all lousy actors I'd sack thier coach
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If it's a money bill and if Starmer relies on Tory support then he's finished only if the size of the Labour rebellion is at least 160mps.
This is political kamikaze.
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I read this earlier. So if I understand it, they drag the concessions consultation out, constituents will have no opportunity to raise concerns on amendments to their MPs, who only have a day in the chamber to challenge amendments.
That’s how I’m reading it but could be wrong. It feels like another almighty stitch-up incoming. It simply needs to be stopped.
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I thought it would be a money bill
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Hi MW ,
There’s talk of a money bill again, do you think it’s going that way now ? Where do we stand now , are we in a strong position or is the possible amendment not enough to save us
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I emailed Grahame Morris to thank him for adding his name to that list and ststicking to his word. Along with Vicky Foxcroft, he is one of the few Labour politicians that have old school Labour values, looking after the underdog.
A very kind and compassionate man.
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If the Bill passes its Second Reading, MPs have minimal time to consider any concessionary ammendment properly irrespective of input from constituents. I'm shattered that this appears to be a Money Bill... assuming the Guardian is correct. That reduces my hope that the reasoned ammendment will be accepted by the Speaker. I can open hope that this filthy business infuriates MPs of all persuasions.
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I am at a loss to understand why "The Guardian" accepts the Bill's status as a Money Bill. Insight anybody?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills
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