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Beth Rigby - Sky News - Posted on her X page 12.39am.
NEW: Welfare concessions. Liz Kendall sets out compromise to MPs in letter just published1/ All of those currently receiving PIP will stay within the current system. Nee eligibility requirements will be implemented from Nov 2026 for new claims only.2/All existing recipients of the UC health element – and any new claimant meeting the severe conditions criteria – have their incomes fully protected in real terms.3/ Ministerial review of the PIP assessment. Review a coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard
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Beth Rigby, Sky News X page recently.
Dame Meg Hillier, one of leaders of rebellion, calls the concessions “a positive outcome” and she thinks this a “good and workable compromise” that means govt and MPs can work together & move forward. Now to see what others think…
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Dame Meg Hillier's full response to Liz Kendall's letter. Make of it what you will.
Dame Meg Hiller, the lead Labour MP rebel, said: "This is a positive outcome that has seen the Government listen and engage with the concerns of Labour MPs and their constituents. "It’s encouraging that we have reached what I believe is a workable compromise that will protect disabled people and support people back into work while ensuring the welfare system can be meaningfully reformed.
"This means that disabled people currently in receipt of PIP and the health element of Universal Credit will continue to receive the same level of support."That future changes to disability support will be co-produced with disabled people, building on the work of Minister Stephen Timms MP to create a system that involves disabled people in decisions about their lives. "And that employment support will be brought forward and substantially improved so that people who want to work are not trapped in the benefit system.
"This is a good and workable compromise and shows that the Labour Government has listened and that working together with Labour MPs can move forward to support vulnerable disabled people, reform the welfare system in a just and inclusive way and contribute towards the economic growth and prosperity this country so desperately needs."
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News..Multiple sources tell the BBC existing claimants of the Personal Independence Payment (Pip) will continue to receive what they currently get, as will recipients of the health element of Universal Credit.
Instead, planned cuts will only hit future claimants.
So a question for you lovely people. I get pip and lcwra . If the above happens. If I lose pip aftee a appeal would that affect my lcwra . Am I right in thinking I would get lcwra til 2029 before it's done with for good.
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I'll be surprised with what is being proposed tonight even gets through. The bill needs to be stopped dead in it's tracks. I wonder how many rebel MP's will be won over by this?
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These concessions are sounding quite worthless in the long run for existing claimants anyway but I imagine too many rebels will accept this as a win, when it is anything but.
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existing claimants on pip will not be effected/protected from nov 26 after the new rules kick in …..
i can just see it now …. the next step will be to rebrand/rename pip, then sorry existing claimants are NO longer protected !
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So basically these poxy concessions mean absolutely nothing to people in my position !! 😩 .....
CBESA + LCWRA .... BUT NO PIP
THIS MEANS THAT WHEN THE WCA GETS SCRAPPED WE WILL NEED TO TAKE THE NEW PIP 4 POINT CRITERIA AS WE WILL TECHNICALLY BE NEW CLAIMENTS
ITS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL THAT PIP HAS GOT SO MUCH ATTENTION AND THIS HAS GOT HARDLY ANY
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No I think you automatically qualify for uc health element, but I could be wrong?
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The possibility of scrapping the WCA is currently being consulted with the public. Deadline of the consultation is the 30th June. Then a white paper. Etc
So it’s not a done deal, far from it.
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Hopefully they will understand the position like myself are in and do the same for existing claimants
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It needs to be clarified; the difference between new claimant and re - claimant is crucial
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The concessions are akin to lipstick on a pig. The fundamental flaws remain. But it looks attractive enough for even leading rebels to embrace the concessions and vote the Bill through on Tuesday.
The concessions might even satisfy many users of this forum.
I really need a break from this.
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I think I’m going to see what happens then if it goes ahead I’ll email the relevant people and say the change pip assessment needs is criteria for fatigue and pain as there’s nothing in the forms for that . I think the system is so complicated is hard to know what will happen
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Well I had hope and felt happy , now reading all the negative stuff puts me back again .
I just got awarded enhanced on both and still only for 3 years , because my hearing might be cured and my agoraphobia too which I've had since aged 7 . Oh and lets not forget sleep apnea (no cure and mine isn't related to weight as I am not over weight), but it might be cured according to the assessor .
All the anxiety and stress of another review takes the joy out of the award , because we know its only a matter of time and it all starts again .
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I agree. I believe and could be wrong, that at re assessment we are treated as new claimants. If we loose PIP at that stage then what ? The ''existing claimants will stay the same forever'' is a load of rubbish in my opinion. They know what they are doing, they are offering ''nothing'' wrapped in a silk scarf. If folk here can see that then why oh why are the rebels so easily accepting the concessions. My head is not functioning very well at the mo, new meds for a chronic progressive condition are really messing with my reasoning etc, I have been told it can happen, suddenly I am a ranty person which is very alien to me, its scary. So, what I am trying to say above could be totally wrong, if it is I apologise. I personally think, looking at everything in the round, this is far far from over, they never ever offer anything without removing something else. I don't want to be the negative one here but I still think if not at this time, we will in the very near future, be facing very worrying changes that will be put through whether we like them or not.
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They don't satisfy me Zipz, I think we are being hoodwinked and I am in disbelief that the rebels are conceding so quickly with no getting their brains into gear first.
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