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Robert peston ITV
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
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Starmer is still doing bullying tactics
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open season on disabled people
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Starmer and McSweeney and Reeves and Timms and Streeting and Kendall are doing permanent damage to the Labour party, it's imploding on itself.
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It appears to be taken for granted that the Bill is indeed a Money Bill. I can scarcely believe it. I think we're scuppered.
From "The Guardian":
Why timetable for welfare bill leaves very little time for amendments to be agreed
The timetable for the UC and Pip bill announced by Lucy Powell at business questions today has important consequences for the Labour MPs who want to see it amended. Ruth Fox, director of the Hansard Society, explains them here in a thread on Bluesky.
"The Government cramming Committee, Report & 3rd Reading into 1 day the week after 2nd Reading (so much for intervals between stages...) means if they pull the Bill they will have 2 days of Commons business to fill. But of greater concern is that this timetable has important implications for those Labour MPs who have signed the reasoned amendment. If the Govt promises concessions in advance of 2nd Reading those will only crystallise at Committee Stage on the 9 July. If they are not quite right, or what the MPs think they were signing up for there will be little time for making changes. If normal procedures are followed the Government should table amendments at least one sitting week in advance - so by the end of Wed 2nd July, the day after 2nd Reading. Non Government MPs will be able to table their own amendments up to three sitting days beforehand - so by the end of the sitting on Friday 4 July. But if MPs are not happy with the proposals made they will have to be resolved on the floor of the Chamber itself on the 9th. This is where the lack of time for reflection, taking advice, can get messy with amendments being proposed and voted on almost in real time. The Bill will go to the House of Lords but it is a money bill so the Lords does not normally have a Committee and Report stage (it is “negatived” in parliamentary parlance) to amend the Bill. They debate it at 2nd Reading and then the remaining stages are a formality.
This underlines how important the Commons scrutiny is. There is no revising backstop for money bills."
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What a lovely lady to respond
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But as thier experiencing it's not that easy that's why they wanted to pass without impact statements labour mps been amazing but even before that the pushback was fierce look at Rwanda all dramatics noting happened so if reform got in push back would be the same they can't just cut the welfare state oh they wish they could but they can't big big bullies the world's thier stage all lousy actors I'd sack thier coach
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If it's a money bill and if Starmer relies on Tory support then he's finished only if the size of the Labour rebellion is at least 160mps.
This is political kamikaze.
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I read this earlier. So if I understand it, they drag the concessions consultation out, constituents will have no opportunity to raise concerns on amendments to their MPs, who only have a day in the chamber to challenge amendments.
That’s how I’m reading it but could be wrong. It feels like another almighty stitch-up incoming. It simply needs to be stopped.
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I thought it would be a money bill
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Hi MW ,
There’s talk of a money bill again, do you think it’s going that way now ? Where do we stand now , are we in a strong position or is the possible amendment not enough to save us
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I emailed Grahame Morris to thank him for adding his name to that list and ststicking to his word. Along with Vicky Foxcroft, he is one of the few Labour politicians that have old school Labour values, looking after the underdog.
A very kind and compassionate man.
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If the Bill passes its Second Reading, MPs have minimal time to consider any concessionary ammendment properly irrespective of input from constituents. I'm shattered that this appears to be a Money Bill... assuming the Guardian is correct. That reduces my hope that the reasoned ammendment will be accepted by the Speaker. I can open hope that this filthy business infuriates MPs of all persuasions.
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I am at a loss to understand why "The Guardian" accepts the Bill's status as a Money Bill. Insight anybody?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills
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It seems to have started with that letter signed by Corbyn but I’ve never seen anything from the government to say it is . What don’t understand is how he can rush it through in a day , isnt it against the rules ? He simply doesn’t listen to people.
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Also no mention of money bill on the benefits and works news page?
whatever happends it wont end well for starmer either way.
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Hi @Zipz & everyone. I've just been reading through what actually was said by Lucy Powell (Leader of the House of Commons) which can be seen here: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-26/debates/A9581D57-D918-4312-9328-F953EB8D9253/BusinessOfTheHouse
Another hyperlink that didn't work, so please copy the above & paste into your browser. The following dates were the relevant dates given:
Tuesday 1 July—Second Reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.
Wednesday 9 July—Committee of the whole House and remaining stages of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.
Lucy Powell said when questioned about the welfare Bill,
'As I have just announced to the House, the Second Reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill will take place next Tuesday, and the remaining stages of the Bill will take place on the Floor of the House the following week. I want to reassure colleagues that we take parliamentary scrutiny and the process of Bills extremely seriously. That is what our parliamentary democracy is all about: Bills are introduced; principles are considered at Second Reading; and the details receive robust debate and discussion, and are often amended in Committee, before we consider Third Reading. As the House would expect, the Government actively engage with parliamentary opinion throughout a Bill’s passage, as we are doing intensively with the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.'
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Apparently it’s 126 labour plus other parties. I hope it’s enough to stop it completely 🤞
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doesn’t say what the concessions are
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