Morning, how's your day going so far?

Lisatho11987777

@woodbine glad your back hope your ok always here for you 

Sandy_123

@Tori_Scope no because they might know its me then all their drug freinds might get me

66Mustang

I was trying to stick up for you Mike by saying I didn’t see any evidence of bullying, as I often find your posts insightful, if not (if I may say) the warmest, but if the forum was full of people just patting each other on the back that would be pointless.

I am sorry for bothering I guess.

Although I defended your right to have an opposite view I don’t think it’s fair to say it is odd that someone has an opinion different to yours. We are all entitled to our own opinions as to whether there are cliques, I feel there are a couple, you don’t. No need to call it odd.

Lisatho11987777

I wasn't going to comment but I changed my mind sometimes people are pushed to the limit woodbine was in the wrong to say what he said but when negative things are said to him all the time I can understand why he went out of character and said what he said but to be fair he didn't mention any names  you went on the defence so to be fair your both at fault 

chiarieds

I have hesitated to respond on this thread. I have no idea where the thought of cliques came from. I have on occasion supported many of the recent posters on here, but if there's an 'us' & 'them' mentality, then I suppose I would be perceived in the 'them' category. Yet I consider @woodbine a friend, but can't support him when he crosses a certain line. Am I pleased to see him once more giving helpful advice on the forum, then certainly 'yes.'

In the spirit of I really feel members want to help others, then comments such as 'seems a few just want to bicker most the time on here,' which has been carried over from another thread, are completely untrue. I also consider cupcake88 a very dear friend. Lisa has said 'sorry' on that thread, & an apology goes a long way.

There's hope that today will finish better than it started.

Sandy_123

I stand by what I wrote because if you look back over the forum and see, you will notice its seems to be same people who are on troublesome shall we say, posts. 

Lisatho11987777

@Sandy_123 I apologised on the thread not because I thought I  was wrong on what I was saying it was because it was on cupcakes support thread and cupcake is suffering  enough without a debate of b12 going on its her support thread so I asked for my comments to be removed thats why I was sorry not because I thought I was wrong I did the right thing for cupcakes sake nothing  else 

Sandy_123

You make some good points Mike here, I have absolutely no problem anyone telling me I got something wrong. You learn something new everyday. As the saying goes. I also have no problem with disagreements on topics, we can't all agree on the same things, otherwise it would be a tad boring.  However, I have noticed that some members seem to have a rough time here, by certain members, even if they are not correct all  the time, I think there is a way of approach. Plus this is no reflection  on  yourself, I would just like all of us to be mindful.

Sandy_123

I know people personally and worked with people who are blunt on correcting people, it never went down well,,  lol. I Prefer to be the type to approach with, can I just say?  Which didn't have much the less effect as the blunt person.  Its how the response is met. Which then  is followed by Consequences.
This being a site for vulnerable people from All walks of life and different abilities, we all just need to take it on board, that some don't cope well with approaches that some of us find easy. Again don't take this as a reflection personally, as it really isn't directed at yourself. It is directed at us all including me.  
 

Lisatho11987777

@Sandy_123 if people admitted when they were wrong it might be better but some people want to always be right and because something different happens with another person it doesn't mean they are wrong 

Things do happen on here that push people to the limit we are all at fault at some point last year on here was the worst for me it pushed me over the edge and I tried to take my own life because that's how some people make you feel on here that your worthless and shouldn't be here bit I supose that happens every where 

Sandy_123

@lisathomas50 sorry to read that you were made to feel that way.  Email scope if you feel that way agai.

chiarieds

I believe we're all on the same page here in wanting to help others. I've also been corrected a few times on the forum.....did I feel awful for inadvertently giving wrongful info, yes, was it good that the poster, & anyone else later reading the thread, had the correct info; most certainly.

I honestly don't know how you can approach wrongful info politely. I think we are all mindful that some members may have difficulties in understanding, etc. so patience is needed, which I see happen in repeating the info in different ways.

I hoped I was building bridges here, but an apology with the later proviso that they weren't wrong, despite info to medical links & the Scope team's responses?

As Lisa says, 'if people admitted when they were wrong it might be better.' Do 'some' people always want to be right? No, they only comment hoping to inform, that's all.

Sandy_123

Mike I can see clearly where your coming from. Again valid points. 

Sandy_123

Like I say we learn something every day. Only real out come from that is agree to disagree

Sandy_123

Yes I saw the tail-end of the thread your talking about, I just made a mental note to myself that most the benefits were means tested that were being debated except pip. So I scrolled past, as I do with most benefit threads. Knowing also that calcotti and others would put wrongs to rights.
Don't even go there with our lovely governments. Its a head ache

Sandy_123

Yes it's late good night Mr [removed by moderator] and thank you for the chat

Lisatho11987777

I supported woodbine for how he felt not because he abused you I told him that he shouldn't of said it I know what it is like being on the end of abuse I would never condone it and for the abuse I am sorry for  but I won't say sorry for supporting someone who has supported me for the last few months along with another person who I am eternaly grateful to if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't of been here 

Lisatho11987777

I havent done it after the fact I said it straight away on the thread I also told woodbine  bit I also said you were also at fault because he was vulnerable and you pushed him thats why I publicly supported him isn't this a site that supports people or suposed to support people putting people down and being negative on comments to the same person pushes a person's mental health and then they answer back woodbine was in the wrong what he said but your not without fault being negative to him all the time 

Sorry if you don't like what I have said and thos is not me being abusive I am saying how being negative to the same person can affect them 

chiarieds

Nothing wrong in supporting someone you care for, I also care for woodbine, as do other members, but if something's wrong, then it's wrong. Literally full stop.

I would also ask when has anyone ever abused you on this forum, Lisa? As has been mentioned above a difference of opinion may be just that, or fact may after all be involved.

I can only say that I believe Mike to be meticulous in ensuring he doesn't breach the community's guidelines; in fact I have learnt from him. So I can see absolutely no reason to assert that Mike was at fault.

Yes, this site/forum is to support members; I think we all try to do so.

Lisatho11987777

It was on the sky blue post you are missing the point woodbine didn't mention any names he didn't say it was about you or any one else it was a general observation  that you assumed straight away it was about you 

Woodbine retaliated to  what you said he was wrong to say that but he had enough of the negativity on most posts he commented on 

This is a discussion not an argument and its not a personal attack it does happen to other people Mike people just don't want to see it I have been personally attacked on this forum more than once 

Your advice to people has always been either to go on ignore to ignore a person or if you don't like what is said don't reply woodbine didn't mention any names you said something straight away woodbine reacted because of the way he had been made to feel because of all the negativity 

Woodbine acted out of character when he said what he said he hadn't done it before use words like that  when I was being bullied on here I said nothing I overdosed 

People have many problems on here some people cope better than others some people understand better than others but everyone has a breaking point