The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Sorry; how are the points worked out for that?
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Hi mason 50 you reach the criteria for living allowance.she said you need a minimum of two 4s.your comment meets that criteria. As you have a 10 and 12.
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I've read through the paper pretty and I can't see anything about them changing the PIP descriptors.
I think it was the conservatives who originally planned to changed the descriptors. So maybe Labour have decided not to change the descriptors? Im hoping thats the case because I would have thought something that important would have been mentioned in this green paper surely.
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Hi Mason 50 you meet her criteria. As she said you need a minimum of two 4s or above to maintain your living allowance.
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Hi secretsquirrel1
I have posted info about ESA. They are saying new claimants only?? If I'm reading it right.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/biggest-shake-up-to-welfare-system-in-a-generation-to-get-britain-working
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I claim CB ESA. I won't be moving to UC because I have savings over £16K. I can't work out where this leaves me.
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Same link
"There will be a review of the PIP assessment process"
My take is it will stay same until Nov 26 - as it has to go through consultation - but it will then be a lot harder to achieve the 4 points and maybe assessments will be done differently (more in person?) - they're looking to save significant amounts of money (billions) and get people working; so only most severe long term conditions will be unaffected.
They may start tightening up renewals now though and rejecting more as by time people have gone through appeal etc new rules will probably be in place.5 -
I noticed that too, can anyone clarify this ‘new claimants’ only thing
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This section should cover it
53. Unemployment insurance would be a new non-means tested entitlement for people who have contributed into the system. It would be created by replacing contribution-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) with a new single entitlement, paid at the current ESA rate (currently £138pw) and will be time-limited. This would provide stronger income protection during periods of unemployment for those with a recent work record, while revitalising the ‘something-for-something’ contributory principle in the working-age system. People claiming this would be expected to actively seek work, with easements for those with work-limiting health conditions.
54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.
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Owl , yes I got a few 4’s in the daily living which mounted up to 25 points . Thank you for answering my question
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I only claim CB ESA (Support Group/ LCWRA). I am not eligible for UC. Will this clobber me? I'm just not taking it all in.
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Where did you get this from? That would be good if it were true (about the conditions being more reasonable.)
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Another thing I liked was that they don't want people caught in an 'activity trap'.
Since the tribunal awarded me 12 points for mobility I have been worried about even trying to go for a walk. I got a new pair of elbow crutches because I can't manage with just the stick I used to use and I want to work at increasing how far I can get but don't want to bring the wrath of PIP down on myself. I couldn't face another reassessment. Currently I struggle to get the 10 m down my garden to let my rabbits out but I usually improve a bit in the summer and would like to get further without being so nervous of negative repercussions. I am never going to walk properly again but I don't want to be reluctant to be as active as possible.
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I posted this previously Durus. I think it's going to be time limited but for new claimants only. When we're reassessed I think we'll probably move onto it. Thoughts??
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The 4 points is going to devistate me. I'm on the higher tier but just barely, the max I've got in a single catagory is 3 points. My condition hasn't improved - it's unlikely to ever improve. How can they say one day I have the right to daily living and the next I don't - despite no change in my circumstances or condition?
It's deeply cruel and unfair and at it's core shows the govt has no understanding or empathy abut how disabilities and long term sickness work. They need to talk to real people with sickness and disability but they can't and won't. PIP and ESA are my only means of survival and I live alone so no clue what I'll do (also I used to work but it made my illness and disabilities worse, I'm so sick of this whole 'work gives you dignity and cures everything' line - my employer made me sicker) - sorry for mini rant. Just tired.
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I am on ESA contribution based so I will lose that support
I am only on lower daily care but not 4 points on anything so will lose out there too. My PIP review is happening at the minute but don't hold any hope in that. Apparently chronic fatigue isn't applicable as a reason for PIP and not being able to walk doesn't mean you can't walk and therefore in her opinion I can so no mobility award. I wasn't aggressive or miserable therefore I don't have anxiety or depression!
I have energy limiting chronic conditions that are life long and the only person I know who has it took 30 years to get well enough to go to work but still has relapses and if she gets a virus or anything she is off work for 7 weeks or so. If I get a cold etc it takes me months to get over it. I can't work but since there is a minimal hope of recovery it probably won't be counted as life long.
I have lost all hope and just feel like I'm fading away. We are also fighting for my husband who is my carer to not be forced to do 12 hour shifts. Everything in my life at the minute is stressful and that just makes my illnesses worse.
Sorry for the long post. I just don't know what to do.
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You and me both Zipz.
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My thinking/hope was the 4 point requirement alone would save them billions, without having to adjust descriptors to discriminate against mental health which was causing a huge backlash. Your take does make sense, though! That PIP assessment process review will be another future event to watch out for.
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They can't take out the descriptor about mental health, at least completely, as discrimination between physical/mental ill health is against the Equality Act 2010. The Tories have tried to do this before but failed to get it through.
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