The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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You and me both Zipz.
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My thinking/hope was the 4 point requirement alone would save them billions, without having to adjust descriptors to discriminate against mental health which was causing a huge backlash. Your take does make sense, though! That PIP assessment process review will be another future event to watch out for.
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They can't take out the descriptor about mental health, at least completely, as discrimination between physical/mental ill health is against the Equality Act 2010. The Tories have tried to do this before but failed to get it through.
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Think they will get everyone reassessed as soon as possible then surely. They seem keen on ending the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA though is my impression from reading the paper.
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I hate that you are already feeling that way, many more I think will be feeling the same as you today, so sorry for all those effected by these changes. I also think its a little insensitive for folk to be saying ''its not as bad as we thought'' we really do not have anything clearly and wholly defined yet ! I feel there will be many nuances and sub criteria added to each and every part of this, that the actual end result, in the ''small print'' as such, might be far from what this resembles at this point in time.
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minimum of 2 4's , it's a minimum of 1 4
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I get pip for ME/CFS and fibromyalgia. Did you record your assessment ? Either way you need to appeal
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It was in the section about mitigating for people no longer getting LCW I the green paper.
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And will be more crime people have to survive especially young people imagine some coming out of care and thrown to the world young people who are disowned by family it's real I used to be youth worker also been through so much as a young person
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But what does this mean when reviews come up the questions will be changed on pup form ?
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I scored 4 on face to face but I bet they tske that out anyway not guaranteed at next review your get same points as before surly
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I am on old style Contributions Based ESA Support Group, what will happen to me? Will I be migrated into this Unemployment Insurance Contributory Benefit?
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I agree. What about claimants who are under the 'severe conditions category'? Will they be protected?
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II'm the same I think and hope so well yes because if there facing wca 2028 we will long be on uc by then
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hi thank you . Where did you post that ? Also is there any clarification regarding the 4? Points for pip .? I read it as you need one 4 point plus 4 random points for lower . But an extra random 4 points for higher
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So does this in effect mean that the current new style ESA support group that is open ended and not means tested will in fact be means tested when the new insurance scheme is introduced and the time limitation expires?
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i think its going to be based on getting 4 points for one descriptor for daily living regardless of how many in total for new claims existing claims will carry on until up for renewal
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Under the current rules I wasn't to be invited to apply for UC.
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PIP is functional. If fatigue prevents you from reliably being able to complete elements you should get the points and a tribunal is likely to overturn the assessor's incorrect view of your abilities based on that false assumption.
I had an assessor tell me that because I don't sleep during the day I don't get fatigued. They are very ignorant. I was dreading the tribunal but they actually paid attention and applied the law rather than asking trick questions the way the assessors do. I really hope the bumpf about being respectful in the green paper is true. It must actually cost more to have so many cases go to tribunal so they should try to get it right first time more often.
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correct as I also looked it up for pain and fatigue conditions and they are classed as physical disabilities.
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