The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Can anyone confirm if it's 4 points needed in any one of the many daily living descriptors please? I didn't get 4 in any one alone, but it added up to 12 for the whole of daily living, sorry to ask but I can't see it anywhere?
I would imagine you will stay as you are until up for an assessment (she hopes!) They surely can't change all this now and where do people find jobs? Thank you in advance.
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Yes its going to be one score of 4 points in daily living to qualify for pip
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That's the same one as me. Given symptoms of that descriptor have destroyed much of my life, and I'm sure yours…. inability to cope with school, inability to properly socialise with others, shut away for days/weeks, inability to work normally, inability to do many, many tasks that require communication and face-to-face interactions. Loneliness drives the depression, necessary interaction drives the anxiety, as does uncertainty (such as this current reforming the welfare state mess).
If they can just drop all this stuff off the descriptors, then thats abandoning us and a very obvious debilitating condition. In my mind, I think it compromises the very essence of human existence. When I look out the window sometimes and watch people drinking, laughing, and doing things together, I wish it could be me.
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I'm on standard rate mobility, Had 4 points only on daily living, Also get lcwra.…Will I lose lcwra or will I be ok while I've got standard pip mobility??
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This is a very good point, the DWP wont save money on their long term health plans by removing someone from LCWRA if the claimant has PIP daily living, so I do expect people in receipt of that might be less likely to get another WCA.
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I would think your friend will be considered "severely disabled".
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I would hope so. Otherwise it would indicate majority of mental health sufferers will not qualify. And also raises the question about disabilities that are not covered in PIP.
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This here definitely sounds like the time limit is for new claimants.
“54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming)”
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So... does this mean you have to have scored at least 4 points on EVERY single one of the Daily Living descriptors? Or just one of them? I don't really understand.
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thank god no vouchers but how many will actually get pip now baring in mind it mostly depends on who your assessor is .
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With the current stated plans, you will need at least one descriptor in daily living that scores 4 points or more to be eligible for a daily living award. It is cruel as they trying to claim someone with 4 points in one category is more vulnerable than someone with 4 points combined from 2 categories.
This will only apply on the first review after the rule changes are in place, existing rewards honoured.
They are considering either a lower daily living or temporary TP for people who lose eligibility from the 4 point rule, but they are not plans, just under consideration at the moment.1 -
Yeah, I didn't think the Team Blue concern for vulnerable people worrying about their future would last very long.
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It also refers to temporary conditions so maybe it is not for people considered "severely disabiled". Remember this is only a Green Paper.
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Is it true they are getting rid of telephone appointments and you have to have face to face, I would mentally not be able to cope with that at all. That would be beyond anything I could handle. Please tell me that’s not true? I feel sick reading that. I couldn’t cope with it?
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just one of them.
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I read your post and its like a diary of my life, you nailed it. These things are not easy to overcome as I am sure you know as well. The few occasions I have been in a socialised event, I stick out like a sore thumb, everyone laughing and joking, me just sitting there, then the worst happens you get asked if you are ok and suddenly you are the focus of everyone's attention, far easier to just avoid people.
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Right now it looks bad, but there's going to be almighty battles over this before it even gets close to becoming law. Someone from Scope earlier said this entire process could take a year (or more) to run through all the different stages, before its law.
The BBC say they'll be able to make better calculations about the potential impact on numbers of people, once the greatest Chancellor and investment banker of all-time (joking) delivers her budget update next week. This "fiscal statement" will present the numbers they don't have today.
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Was that a UC claim review over the phone?
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Darwin couldnt have said it better
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