The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Incorrect. I am receiving old CB ESA and it has not been changed to new style esa. Only new claimants are on new style esa. These are not the same thing but are both CB. I continue to receive legacy esa. I do not know if there will be changes to those receiving this legacy esa in support group who cannot work and also would like to know. I do receive pip with it..
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paragraph 54 is pretty clear that it will end IMO
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This doesn't say anything about people in support group of CB ESA who have an indefinite award due to permanent severe illness like I have .it is talking about people with short term conditions who could go back to work.
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I have an app @ St Thomas' Hospital this coming Monday. I'm going to be laying it all on the line as its been this way for well over a decade, and even I can see the cerebellum tonsils are down past the foramen magnum!
The pain is constant, so even at its baseline level its 80%+ of persistent pain that has never dipped below that level in over 15+yrs.
Too many other symptoms to mention here right now; but you'll know all of them very well, alas!
I have a pic of my MRI on my phone so will be showing the specialist Monday, just incase he doesn't have it to hand.
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Where do you see that people on iNDEFINITE awards in the support group who cannot and will not ever he able to work due to incurable long-term serious illness will have their benefit ended in a year ? Please show me the section..
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I've got an old phone and tablet so a lot of apps don't work, but I once used the tablet to record a phone conversation once (not benefit related). I felt like I was being really devious!!! 😂😂
Yes, you are supposed to tell them that the conversation is being recorded but, as far as I'm aware, they can't refuse it.
I just said (what they always say) "I am obliged to tell you that this conversation is being recorded". I don't think they're allowed to refuse, but don't quote me on that!0 -
No you do NOT have to tell anyone you are recording your conversation with them for personal use. Covert recording is not illegal in the UK. You can easily download smart recorder app onto a separate android device for example and press record while on your speaker phone..alternatively download Cube ACR of you have sn android phone and it will record your phone call.
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New Style I think?
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The changes haven't been passed yet .at review emphasise how you are on your worst days and appeal the outcome if necessary. In any case I thought nothing could happen until nov 2026 so shouldn't you be scorednunder the current system anyway?
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I think you're right but after a quick google search I think you need to tell them in advance - perhaps during the re-assesment form or something stating you want to make sure nothing is overlooked/forgotten or that your conditions make it hard for you to remember things.
Ironically I think recording sessions is one thing this damn reform is suggesting to make standard practice.
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So, does that mean if you lost your daily care part of PIP because you didn't score a 4 and therefore lost the LCWRA, you would still be able to keep the payment for mobility if you scored high enough?
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I was not aware of plans to change descriptors, just adding 4 point minimum for one activity from nov 26
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Oh it's austerity 2.0 definately but they just use different names.
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Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory
ESA
for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming).
That’s my understanding from the above.
I’m not in favour btw
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I'm wondering if this will affect new claimants only at present? Hopefully in the coming days/weeks we will hear from the horses mouth so to speak what's going to happen.
54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming).
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No one said anything about mobility being affected in the announcement
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I didn't know about telling them advance so thanks for that. I could've tripped up on that!
Funny though that loads of utility companies, doctors surgeries etc. have been recording stuff for years, which they remind us about regularly during the conversation (they have with me anyway) and I thought it sounded like a bit of a threat.1 -
Where does it say that wil lose esq if on the support group on indefinite aware for permanent condition?
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TThere has been NO announcement of changes to mobility pip
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It says for new peopl claiming snd it does not say in the support group
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