The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • calflye
    calflye Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Don't know if this has been asked already, the thread is very fast moving, for obvious reasons. These proposed changes that they want to bring in, for example, the 4 point scoring, scrapping WCAs, needing PIP for UC Health Element, needing to be 22 for PIP and UC Health Element. Would all of these, IF brought forward, need agreement from House of Lords as well as receive Royal Assent?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    The I don't understand is every assessment I get points for different questions never stays same I did get 4 point daily living for face to face that be changing if this passes noting been passed

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    I understand you got your pip for a few years so that's good I don't believe half of this will go through honestly 24 mps gone independent under starmer leadership alot of people in back ground doing so so much they wanted to be seen as the ones who changed welfare but they have broken alot of laws keep emailing mp other mps as well who cares if not our mp this is a wishlist not done with any care of our mental wellbeing they will be pulled over hot coals I really believe we will be ok everything be watered down they made it extreme because they knew that as for today rest your mind and body it's unattainable to live on fear day in day out I did I thought having a stroke I'd be worried normally but from what I read and seen this lot a bunch of clowns big big big hugs don't worry this will be resolved in time but will take time so do things to protect your mental health xx

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 620 Trailblazing

    Do you mean Rayner ? I watched as Kendall spoke of the cuts she intends to bring in during parliament and Rayner was sitting behind her nodding her head . Which if she agrees with this is disappointing as listened to her interview on bbc4(?) and she came across very well in regards to the disabled. Mentioning her mum’s disability and her sons . But then again so does Starmer when it serves a purpose.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    So worried I just migrated from ESA support group to Universal Credit LCWRA now this,will it mean I will be migrated onto Universal Credit Health automatically as an existing claimant or will I be declared fir for work immediately in 2028? I know it's three years ahead but the worry is killing me

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    Although I'm worried about all of this happening I really don't think a lot of it will go through to become law.

    I think it'll all be watered down and that new 4 point rule will be abandoned.

    There will be changes but they probably wont be as bad as we think they'll be.

    We seem to have a lot of people on our side now who don't agree with this government.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    edited March 22

    Even though the consultation has omitted asking direct questions on certain aspects (eg, do you think it is fair to fix qualification for PIP daily living at a 4 point criteria), I hope everyone remembers that it is still an open text box and you can include whatever information you like.

    I filled it in answering every question with something relevant to what they were asking then gave them a couple of extra paragraphs of wider context of what claiming PIP is actually like and the impact of losing it for people in work, the burden on the healthcare system if people who cannot work lose their benefits and so on. Stuff they didn't ask for but which we are the best placed to know.

    So even if you think the most important things aren't being consulted on, don't lose the opportunity to put those experiences in the consultation. The worst they can do is ignore it - but if it's not there, they can continue to pretend it doesn't exist.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,497 Championing

    Don't forget Labours relocation plans - they want to relocate all disabled people to a remote Scottish island - so they can keep us all together.

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    I was wondering if she put the new 4 point rule in as a bargaining chip, so she can compromise later and take it out if she comes under pressure from her MP's.

    That's what they do sometimes when changing the rules and laws.

    Watering some parts down to get other parts through.

  • lily84
    lily84 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    Hi, how do you know if you are legacy esa or new style esa? I was changed to cb Esa around 2019 from long term incapacity benefit. Also does anyone know what is happening with indefinite dla to pip timeline now? Now I'm so stressed and worried I'm about to lose it all

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,884 Pioneering

    You know, @Wibbles it might not be bad. A self-governing archipelago of our own.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    I so hope you are right I am not sleeping with the dread of all this

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 42 Empowering

    Thinking of you all, feel very low today. Giving my little Jack Russell a big cuddle, he’s all that keeps me going bless him.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    If we are reassessed for lwcra will be under same criteria I'm the same noway I could go to job centre no way for some reason I feel calm was the same when sent pip form back I didn't even think of it and got paperbased goverments like to install terror I think they threw everything at the green paper in hope of some of it getting in speak to your sons doctor and say the effect its having on both your mental health I'm keeping a diary if it will be 3 years worth so be it they cannot do half of this it's very cruel I know exactly how you feel 2023 took me down I'm scared but not terrified wait till impact statement comes out 2 million people that's without thier cares thrown into poverty no way not happening they have broken all human rights thier proposals are wicked almost laughable I know it's hard it's really hard try not to over over think I say that because I do and it sends me down we are in the here and now these are proposals this has to go through stages and anyone can see it's a cost cutting discrimination at it's finest activists been dealing with DWP for years we have lawyers who are experts in welfare working along side charities unions the government been trying this for 30 years hold tight it's a rollercoaster but will be ok I really believe we will. Xx

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9yl50zkmmo

    cant think why the rise in claimants

    We had the worst PM at the worst possible time #covid

    and now Labour act like confused sheep we are lagging behind other countries.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    Broke down crying now I am so low 😢

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    I said that claimants are going to rely heavily on the social care system, NHS and charities due to the fall out of this. It will cost the government more money in the long run if these proposals go ahead.

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 310 Empowering

    I think he was being satirical. He wasn't being serious.

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