The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Thanks its the name of one of our cats lol
I totally agree with everything you are saying. There will not be enough jobs for the amount of people they now expect to work.
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Not quite.
Looking at disability issues through either the medical or social models is flawed. Using a mixed model approach is best, because it includes the strengths of both perspectives while addressing the drawbacks.
Also the true culprit behind all this is capitalist ideology, where disabled people (and other groups) who cannot contribute to the means of production are seen as defective. What you're describing is one of many arguments that capitalists and eugencists use to justify their agenda.
Agreed. So many issues plaguing British society can be fixed by addressing the housing crisis. That includes seizing second homes from landowners to reuse as council housing. There's more second homes than homeless people.
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Thanks to Scope I have looked at the consultation questions and stopped at question #2 because I was laughing so hard at the sheer audacity and stupidity of the question.
LadyTinks, it's really not worth imagining the worst when these are only proposals and there's a growing movement to quash them..
Don't torment yourself over what might happen with your benefits. Carry on enjoying your car (when you feel calmer) and your rail card. Nobody likes being stuck indoors do they?
What does question #2 ask?
I could do with a laugh 😄
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I know, though they now say labour hasn’t gone far enough as the Tory’s found £12b of savings. It’s as though they’re all trying to outdo each other in the battery of the disabled
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the real nasty party . How unbelievable that whether a party in left or right etc they’re all united in their hate for the sick and disabled
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Yes me too. Almost 49 years working, paying into system. Some people can't even imagine what it's like to work almost half a century and still have to work. It's only now at 64 I'm going down the WCA route with the hope of getting LCWRA. I haven't even applied for PIP. Can't even get state pension till I'm 67 and they keep putting that up. Is anyone speaking up for the over 60s with ongoing, increased health issues or are forced to extend extra years of work?
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The Joseph rowntree had said that families would be worse off. Reeves dismissed it. Iian Duncan Smith, said on gb news that work coaches should get disabled people into work. Again dismissed mental health like anxiety and depression saying work is the cure. Honestly. Also why reeves needed the 5 billion of dwp cuts is that she needed that for the opr he said and as she messed up with the budget ,she needed it fast. So disabled were I expect easy target
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@Summerlove, thanks for your comment. In 1979 I'd already been working for two years. I was still 15 (3 months before my 16th birthday). Finished my O levels, left school and within the week was forced by my parents to go out and get a job to pay my way.. I got one (take any job offered I was told) 3 days later. No part time, flexi hours or claiming I'll health in those days. You worked 39 hpw. When I got my NI card in 1977 retirement age for women was 60 and remained so until 65 was fully implemented from 2010 - 2018. So really in my case (and many others like me) an extra 7 years has been added. People may or may not be living longer but that doesn't mean we are in the best of health. Now we are put through the wringer just to get some help for failing health, some of it age related or otherwise and we are classed as parasites and should be working as it's "good for our mental health" (not any more) and we should be contributing. Excuse me, what about the past 49 years (for me) of my contributions?
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oh I really hope they do vote no confidence. But who in the front bench has anymore empathy for us than Starmer ? Kendall though always looks vicious and ready for a fight . I really believe they think anyone that isn’t working is worthless and of no use . All they keep saying is they’re improving things for those who work .
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@secretsquirrel1 I don't think Kendall is entirely bad, though. She, when she was 49, altruistically allowed another woman to carry a baby for her. Such kindness to both the surrogate and the child.
Perhaps that's the sort of work she envisages for those of childbearing years in her new regime?
Sadly, I'm too old to become a brood mare for Kendall et al. The soup pot for me, I fear.
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You are right, they do view those of us not working or earning as a waste of space and also a drain on society but I say Stuff them because if they walked even just one day in our shoes then maybe they might drum up an ounce of empathy rather than the constant vilification towards us.
Peace out folks and please try to take a break from this thread because we all need to try and take care of ourselves.
Much love to all of you. X
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That’s a lesson right out of the Handmaid’s Tale isn’t it. With all the forthcoming layoffs to NHS England and hundreds of thousands in the civil service… we’re heading for Giliead. ‘Blessed be the Fruit’ my friends.. Starmer so so looks like a commander it’s scary.
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Hunt was so smug saying Labour had stolen tory policies.
the fact they are happy with that alone is staggering. What's needed are some Ministers to quit but we know that wont happen, Or the very least the Unions to kick off and withdraw funding. After her interviews today now convinced Reeves has no idea how anyone lives
why would she? energy on expenses etc. If Starmer resigned tomorrow I am never voting Labour again, This was always the plan and he wasnt brave enough to mention it in the GE
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Before the past week I thought the assisted dying bill after seeing how bad my father died
over 48 hrs when they said he would die in 8, His inquest is still in limbo owing to the local health board dragging it out, he needed a transfer from the local hospital to air ambulance only a mile up the road and his life would have been saved, 9 hours later an ambulance arrived by then the clot had moved and dad was finished, he fought like a goldfish out of water for 48 hrs, His death was horrific its bad enough losing someone you love but seeing them die like that. So the assisted dying bill I was open to the idea, but the sheer contempt and manner Labour Ministers are showing they knew damn well those pip vouchers alone were making people deeply uneasy and worry, they kept silent. They kept leaking stories
instead of just telling people, WORD FOR WORD she announced this week Blair gave a speech weeks before the GE, today not Civil services layoffs what did Blair say?
Cut Civil service replace with AI.
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Most of the civil servants about to lose their jobs will only be entitled to contribution-based JSA. And that's merging with CB-ESA with only two years monetary support. Many of the fit and the sick alike will never work again and will have to survive or die without any or inadequate state support. That's the situation as I see it.
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You're right in saying that the situation facing the over 60's isn't given enough consideration. At 60 plus so many of us are getting beyond the world of work. It is much more of a challenge both physically and mentally to cope in the workplace and if you are disabled it may be the case that unless you can arrange to have lighter duties or to work part time, it is much more likely, at this age to damage your health more severely than when you were younger.
The majority of employers, don't want to make these adjustments and want to replace you with someone younger. Sadly, many more people are disabled and completely unable to work at 60 onwards too, like myself.
We are now a substantial proportion of the rising numbers of working age disability claiments. No government will acknowledge this as it was their choice to put us in this position. It's probably one of the many reasons they're being so hard on us, so they can blame us for another failed policy.
I was some years into my working life, as a women before I discovered that I would no longer retire at 60 but at 67. I have already been disabled for 21 years with ME/CFS, anxiety, depression and non epileptic seizures. I worked in manufacturing before this, I was in one job for 15 years. The employers I had, all of them, treated everyone badly, including me. I know it was a large part of why I became disabled in the way I did.
I have nearly seven years yet to State Pension age, surviving, with the long standing and worsening situation, with successive governments being completely unable to work. I do my best but it's a terrible strain, wondering if my partner (also disabled but pension age) and I will be able to manage until then.
I don't want to wish my life away but the best thing about pension age will actually be, being (mostly) left alone by the government. It's even more important than the situation with the money.
My heart goes out to everyone on this forum who is going through their own personal problems bought about by past and proposed government policy, whatever they are. We deserve so much better than this. 😢
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Thank you so much,
Tbh we died that day, We are a tiny family everyone else is gone.
We get by but knowing Dad should still be alive today he really did have a solution for everything and nothing phased him at all. Totally the watchdogs for health are utterly useless.
The Coroner has been terrible I begged them NOT to send me emails anymore as it was always bad news, I was on hour 8 of the Chemotherapy email arrived "Hello its ** from Coroners office just to let you know the Police will be taking written statements from members of staff on duty" it was written so matter of fact.
I got so upset my stats started to go haywire and they stopped the infusion I showed the day care unit staff the email and they were stunned something like that was even sent in an email.
This past week the worry has 100% made me worst, this is what Labour are not understanding at least with the Tories they boasted about welfare cuts.
this is the speech Blair gave. He 100% mentioned welfare reform but timestamped the comments on civil service reduction for AI. This was 8 months ago the GE was 8 months ago
He's running the show
https://youtu.be/xey-jt0sQ6k?t=500
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I’m sorry your Dad died like that, my parents have both passed and you just want it to be peaceful and as easy as possible? I understand your fight for that.
Yes I noticed the AI comments were coming thick and fast… the systems are not even up and running yet? There’s no AI in place to cope with shortfall of civil servants!
It’s like a group of people are sitting in a cabal coming up with imaginary solutions whilst the reality is completely different. That group of people is Pat McFadden/ Morgan Mc Sweeny and possibly Mandelson. The former two were Mandelson’s ‘creatures’ in previous administrations. So it’s like.. ‘let’s get all the disabled off benefits and working’… we’ll steal votes back from Reform by being tough?’ Without ever facing the reality that there are NO JOBS available en masse for sick folk.
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