Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 677 Championing
    edited March 2025

    I truly wish he was my MP…..such a passionate man! Thanks for sharing @Summerlove

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    seeing as Rachel from accounts is determined to wreck the economy and come to us disabled to bail her out each time at what point will she be told that this cannot be legal . You surely can’t leave millions of ppl to starve . In court how will they justify this ? They can hardly say they were stopping fraud in the system. How can a million ppl be fraudulently claiming to be sick or disabled and the NHS not realise .

  • amina
    amina Community Member Posts: 25 Connected

    what i see in government are actacing disabled people and poor people. if we ask government to give us right for disabled and poor working class people the government say we will looking to it the government saying we need to save taxpayer money who pay tax? in this 3 categories … 1 super rich….. 2 middle class…… 3 poor class ?? i will leave conversation here for now people can think about it and i will continue tomorrow🙂

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Community Member Posts: 171 Empowering

    Thankyou Yogi, you take care of yourself too. We need to be kind to ourselves, especially during times like this. X

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,107 Championing
    edited March 2025

    Jeremy Corbyn blasts Labour over austerity measures. I wish he'd come back.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    it’s impossible to think they can get away with it and not lose in court or the echr. Both Stu and this other channel creator said they’ll be going against the equality act . Starmer really needs to sack her . I just watched Jeremy Corbyn on sky news and he said Labour MPs have told him they’re not happy. Apparently they’re now talking to him as they’re not happy with the government. The interviewer asked if Keir is a chameleon and he said there’s a few of them in parliament.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Community Member Posts: 171 Empowering

    Well said summerlove, these cruel, greedy, uncaring, immoral fools are not Labour.

    The Labour Party I was once proud to vote for and be a member of are now long gone, unfortunately.

    Just feeling at a loss with it all.....I'm hoping the '**** will ht the fan tomorrow' after Rachel thieves statement, and hoping we have more MP'S and organisations 'coming to our aid', and 'fighting our corner '.

    I've been very disappointed with the lack, of outrage/retaliation from MP'S and disability charities.

    The only ones who have really stood for us have been, John mcdonnell, Jeremy corbyn and Diane abbot and a couple of others.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Community Member Posts: 171 Empowering

    Thanks for this ROSS, will give it a watch. I just wish these 'upset MP'S' would 'speak up'.

    We've only had a handful of MP'S speak up, it's disgraceful.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,699 Championing

    Clive Lewis MP on Sky News was awesome too 👏

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,699 Championing
    edited March 2025

    I dug this out. Angela Raynor helped get the WRAC removed for LCW claimants so be in no doubt she understands all of this in 2025.

    Angela Raynor - Commons Shadow Minister (Work and Pensions) Department for Work and Pensions 7 January 2016 - 27 June 2016 

    Angela Raynor - Commons Opposition Whip (Commons ) Whips Office (Commons) 18 September 2015 - 7 January 2016

    The Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015-16 had its Third Reading in the House of Lords on 9 February, and the Commons is due to consider Lords amendments on 23 February. 

    The Government suffered a second defeat at Report on 27 January. An amendment tabled by the Crossbencher Lord Low of Dalston and others to retain the Employment and Support Allowance work-related activity component was agreed by 283 votes to 198.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Community Member Posts: 171 Empowering

    Same here summerlove, Labour through and through back to my great grandparents, and yes it was Blair who started the ruination.....but omg I can't believe how awful starmer and Co are.

    They've ENDED the Labour Party.

    Hardly anybody will vote for them in the future.

    They really are the 'new nasty party'.

    Hopefully the fight back will start tomorrow.

    You Take care of yourself summer, we all need to be kind to ourselves.

    I just can't believe what's happening.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    yes I thought it was interesting when he said that. It just shows you they’re not happy with Starmer . At the end of the day they’ve said they want £5 billion in cuts which is more than the Tory’s and the judge said it was so much of a cut that is was unlawful. It’s actually unbelievable that they just want to **** pip from a million ppl regardless if they’re disabled or not and attach lcwra to it . So ppl can no longer have a long term condition. I’m just hoping the courts find it all unlawful.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    Angela Rayner is on a tricky one here I think. She's referencing her own family while defending these cuts. I'm dissapointed as I'd hoped she'd be more horrified at the disastrous set of cruel cuts. Like her unions are.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I don’t think they care about getting ppl to work. They could start with the healthy job seekers first . It’s not as though they’ve just tightened the criteria a bit , they’ve literally worked out how many ppl they need to get of pip to save the desired amount. They are truly evil.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,054 Championing
    edited March 2025

    I will try to explain this again.

    It initially be just PIP as the PIP assessment isnt used for LCW.

    Automated repeat WCA is going to resume, it might already have resumed, as long as the WCA is still here then the PIP assessment only affects PIP, the plan is to eventually get rid of WCA, and when that happens there will be no more LCW/LCWRA, a health top up will replace it, the health top up will have no automated exemption from work related activities, its purely a financial support mechanism. When this change happens there will only be the PIP assessment.

    The health top up will have two ways to be eligible, either via PIP daily living or if you already have LCWRA before 2026, and you then are awarded LCWRA again from a new WCA after that point. I assume if you are made eligible via the second way, then you keep it perpetually without assessments until the next reform or claim closed, a kind of grand fathering.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,054 Championing
    edited March 2025

    She will only be told if someone does a successful court challenge, governments have shown time and time again they are prepared to disregard the law, remember innocent until proven guilty. This court challenge only has a few months window, as the paper (the parts with no consultation) will very likely be law by this summer.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,054 Championing

    Its more lies really, if it was just about improving work access, they can do that without eligibility and cash cuts. Likewise the more recent interviews have claimed those who cant work will stay protected, clearly requiring 4 points to be eligible for PIP (which will later be a requirement for the health topup also) makes that a lie.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Community Member Posts: 413 Trailblazing

    She's swallowed the KoolAid. By the gallon it appears.

    How long do you think she spent, twisting her logic, to reach those "reasons" it was wrong for her mother and son to have received benefits due to illness / disability.

    Why don't you hand them back then?

    I'd put my house on her son passing whatever the new PIP test is with flying colours, irrespective of his condition/s, despite her assertion all he wants is a chance to work. 🙄

  • idk
    idk Community Member Posts: 68 Empowering

    So there's not enough well paid jobs in the country hiring, many on UC to top up wages. As well as many looking for jobs.

    A policy to force those of us on some form of disability benefit to join the queue of those seeking work. Where are these jobs coming from? And who are these employers who will take on people with disabilities?

    I have worked several times, and each time, my mental health would crash because I was always on edge, made me suicidal, so I ended up on ESA and PIP.

    Could I work from home? Absolutely, but there's no one hiring, I want to get out of the nightmare of constantly having to justify my disability.

    But you know, it's okay for MPs to get free things, and a pay rise.

    For the few, not the many.

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