Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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She just said about getting people back to work (Get Britain Working). They never mention those who CAN'T WORK or who can't do full-time work because of health. "Get those working to help them out of poverty". No darling, you're going to push people INTO poverty by cutting their benefits and forcing them to work, putting them at risk with their health conditions.
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Me too! I'm certainly expecting the ECHR to be included to help our fight in terms of the ultimate UK judgements.
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can they overrule parliament though ? Benefits and work seemed cast doubt on that .
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she needs a voice transplant
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We've had a handful of MP'S 'speak out', but that's all.
The disability charities and organisations have been almost silent.
It seems at this stage that there won't be any 'backlash' and we are all 'doomed'.
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No, they can't overrule as said before. But if you take the case to the ECHR before there's a law, then hopefully you can get a judgement for UK judges to take into consideration when making their own rulings before any law gets passed.
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thank you ๐. Sorry for asking the same questions . My brain fogs quite bad so I canโt think straight. How long do you think before it becomes law , obviously it goes to the lords first and hopefully they amend it . Someone said I think this summer it will be law . I hope Ellen Clifford et al are looking into this and Iโm sure they are .thanks again ๐
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I suffer from brain fogs too lolโฆ I think Scope said over a year quite likely to work through all the different stages of this process. I saved the message where they explained it all, because it was really useful, but now I can't find it to share with you. ๐
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๐๐. So we have time for activists to get a case together then ? I literally thought today it was going to be pushed straight though . This is terrifying as Iโm literally in bed most of the time with pain and fatigue which are protected by law as a disability. I really hope real Labour MPs vote against this to save the party . I did listen to Jeremy Corbyn who said labour MPs have started to talk to him again and are not happy
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I get ttlhat, but according to Gemini AI it is possible under certain circumstances. I also understand they are not even consulting on the changes to the WCA and not sure about the pip changes (some reports state they are and others state they arent)
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Correct they are excluding WCA changes from consultation.
Correct PIP changes are unknown as they are being reviewed as stated in the green paper.
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Yes there's time. They can't ram this bill through in a matter of days. The gov themselves have announced a consultation process that runs until the end of June before anything else happens in regards to steps in the process. And there are loads more steps ahead once we're beyond June.
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Hi all. Just wanted to add this as I've seen a few comments about what action Charities are taking. We at Scope very much are actively campaigning. We've also had key leaders speaking out in the media via interviews etc. for example - I'm the chair of disability charity Scope and I may be asked to step down for what I'm about to say | The Standard. ๐
I've added a few links below join Scope in pushing back against these cuts. Here are some of the ways you can get involved:
- Add your name to our petition
- Invite your MP to our parliamentary event
- Respond to the consultationย by 30 June 2025.
We will try to keep you as appraised as we're able to. We've got this together. โบ๏ธ
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Hope this is OK, copy pasted conclusion from AI, about the role of ECHR and the potential consequences for uk law
In Conclusion:
Yes, an ECtHR judgment finding that a new UK law violates the European Convention on Human Rights can indeed lead to the law being overturned or amended. It exerts significant legal and political pressure on the UK government to take action to ensure compliance with its international human rights obligations. The Human Rights Act 1998 further strengthens the impact of these judgments within the UK legal system.
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Yes UK courts have to take into account any ECHR rulings. We're signed up to that. But ECHR judgements can't directly overturn UK law, they can only challenge law(s) on human rights grounds. The ultimate arbiter of UK law is UK judges who take into account any ECHR rulings as part of their judgements.
We're really getting into the weeds on this one. To say this is complicated would be a massive understatement. ๐
What should allow you to rest easier is knowing there are many good people who will be using every tool available to them to fight on our behalf.
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Well....again , we've heard the same rhetoric......it's all about 'working people', and getting ('forcing') disabled and vulnerable people into 'work'.
I must say she has 'blundered' her way through this statement...stuttering and stammering, because she knows she's completely inept and incompetent,
Special thanks though to Rachel Maskell , Labour MP ,who just 'spoke up for us'.
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๐ thank you
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thank you and fingers crossed ๐ค
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it was online on the benefits and work website. I donโt know how to copy and paste but it basically said theyโre putting it to the vote to try and get past the courts. But if you read my reply from mawempathy above and William they both state the echr does have power if itโs against our legal rights. Sorry to worry you Catherine x
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Reeves just said "just because people are disabled doesn't mean they can't work", this was in rely to the Labour mp from Bradford who challenged her about the harm of 'cuts' to the most vulnerable.
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