Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Yes not everything is being rushed, the things being consulted on will take longer.
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How will UC be able to force someone to look for work (let alone do any) when said person is entirely incapable of working.
A person who was enhanced on care/Mobility, but no-longer under their new rules
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When the WCA is removed (along with LCW/LCWRA), the person will no longer be recognised as unable to work. The WCA is the current protection mechanism.
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Just as i thought; so in their mind, and on their forms, we now are cured of our illnesses @worried33
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Will be interesting to see how a previous 4 in care will hold-up in the PIP reassessment.
If it was given in the last assessment and one's condition hasnt got any better; infact worsened..How on earth could they contest that!
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They think they are magicians.
It is also worth noting unsurprisingly Reeve is annoyed that the OBR doesnt agree with her on what happens to the people who are losing support, the OBR has predicted they wont find work.4 -
They can do it by altering the descriptors that apply to your next assessment.
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Apparently they'll be creating colleges to train peoole for the construction industry.
I can't get to my notebook now, but I remember something like ten per area?
Tory or New Tory (i.e.Labour) dont they just love their high viz jackets and hard hats.
They're all merchant bankers (and that's rhyming slang).
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Mmmm! Well I receive PIP lower daily rate made up 4 x 2 points and also higher mobility rate!
The daily rate given was because I made adaptations to my house and myself!
If I were to lose this I would be unsure how adaptations could be made in a workplace to cater for my mobility?
It would be interesting too see what happens…personally I would love to return to work!
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Not really scrapping WCA more moving the goal posts and making it impossible to qualify for it.
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if they make me go up the job centre I will have to go half **** as I can’t dress my lower half. I will also more than likely have a fall and have to be taken to hospital. If they take everything away I will make sure I make it as difficult for them as possible.
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Youve misunderstood the statement
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I'm truly sorry. Hope I didn't offend.
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Currently if people do not fulfil their journal obligations they can sanction you and either reduce your UC or stop it altogether. If you are judged as fit for work then a doctors FIT note will also just likely be ignored and you will still have to meet your obligations or face consequences. It is appalling what they are intending to do to people who are vulnerable. I am ashamed of our government.
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If the government gets their way and your pip entitlement say goes to 2030 do they have honour the award to that time.
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I just read that starmer said.about pip, that it is an incentive for people not to work. Are they entirely thick.?.
Do they know that it's not means tested out of work benefit ,that you can work and claim it. Surely this needs to be spelled out to them. That some need pip in able for them to continue working.
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They are fully committed to the (in public) idea that the main blocker to work is people are not motivated. so the belief is that inducing poverty will cause a miracle.
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This is, I think, the key to getting unions onboard.
The 'working people' Reeves bangs on about incessantly are the ones who are going to be totally screwed when they become too ill to work.
Those already in receipt of ESA (on UC) will face some rigours to retain it (or a version of it) via PIP.
Future claimants i.e. those currently working who subsequently become ill will face much a much tougher situation:
- Reduced 'returns' i.e. time-limited access to the non-means-tested benefit, as opposed to current open-ended/ongoing payments.
- Treated as a jobseeker even when they are too ill to work.
- No NI contributions towards pension.
Is this what unions who fund the New Tories want for their members? I think it's probably not.
No-one, absolutely no-one, other than those who are currently in this situation seem to have noticed this (I can hear the clinking of champagne glasses in Downing Street at this point), far less care about it.
It's MASSIVE for future claimants, not least the impact on any potential recovery for them whilst being harassed as a 'jobseeker', and the impact on their pensions.
Beyond all of that - WHERE THE HECK ARE ALL THESE JOBS WE'VE TO CHASE????
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The thing is we have no real say in it. They control the narrative once you are deemed fit for work which millions will be, after that we have no say. And even those unfit will be required to engage with work coach. Only advice I can give is stand your ground when it comes to agreeing to your commitments. Make sure you let them know what you can and can't do. It will be not be easy, they will be very tough on people. The key will be your commitments and what's in it.
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