Spring Statement Discussion (link to documents here)

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  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    This is correct. And just to add to if you were on Incapacity Benefit and migrated to CB ESA(old style) and then were paid a private pension they will not deduct any money from your pension or rather won’t reduce your ESA because of it. The protection for that migrated with you from Incapacity Benefit Rules.

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    I’ve been on CB ESA Support Group since 1998!!! When it was Incapacity Benefit. Off worked for 20 years so had enough contributions. So I know it odd not means tested for all Thor reasons you and @yogibear have detailed. Not sure why luvpink thinks ordered?


    I’m waiting to see/hear what’s happening to us. They weren’t going to check on me again until my PIP comes up got review in 2028 when I be in receipt of my state pension. I haven’t been able to find anything out at all.

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    you’re not confused but it isn’t completely correct to say it is a means tested benefit in the way Income based ESA is because the only means testing with regard to old style ESA is a private pension (unless you were on Incapacity benefit before ESA continually in which case your ESA is protected and will not have your ESA reduced)

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    I know you’ve said this aspect is going off topic but if someone asks a question and the answer given isn’t quite correct it’s important for others to add to it where necessary. To add more clarity and that’s all that was happening here.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,466 Championing

    Unfortunately - having been credited with NI credits - from being entitled, but not receiving ESA - Doesn't then allow you to claim and receive ESA through having "recent NI credits".

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,558 Championing

    This has already been mentioned more than once on this thread.

    I am out of here to enjoy my day.

  • Loulou82xx
    Loulou82xx Community Member Posts: 56 Empowering

    My daughter gets ESA now, she was full time employed until her diagnosis with Leukaemia. Her employer is/was the NHS so she had sick pay from them for quite a time after diagnosis so was still paying her full stamp. She was then awarded full PIP but it was six months before she applied for ESA aswell which I believe is the contribution based one she receives. She is in her mid 20's when she returns to work she has plenty of time to get the full 30 years she will need to qualify. It is just another thing for people to think about when it comes to illness/disability.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,558 Championing

    Okay I have got the message loud and clear.

    Jeez I'm out of here to enjoy my day.

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    Oh dear. Not sure there’s a need for that. Surely it’s about helping people when they ask for advice. This isn’t personal.

  • calflye
    calflye Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    Thank you for providing this! I'm putting together points like these so this is really helpful

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Thank you for putting the link.

    This was an amazing afternoon - I'm crying. So much solidarity - I feel that so much more can be achieved when we stand together.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,654 Championing
    edited March 2025

    EHRC report written in 2018. Cumulative Impact Assessment (CIA)

    We make the following recommendations to HMT (His Majesty's Treasury):

    • In advance of the next Spending Review, HMT should publish a detailed explanation of the process by which it will ensure that the Spending Review process is fully compliant with the PSED.

    • HMT should convene an independent advisory group, based on the model of the 2010 Independent Challenge Group, to advise on the equality impact of the next Spending ReviewThe Independent Challenge Group provided internal advice on the likely impacts of the Spending Review and had both internal and external representation.

     All fiscal events (Budgets and Spending Reviews) should be accompanied by an equality impact assessment (EIA). This should incorporate a CIA of the impact on protected groups, showing how distributional impacts vary across groups. In addition, the EIA should discuss and explain any major disparities in outcomes that adversely impact protected groups.

    HMT should prepare a CIA for each fiscal event, as well as analyse the impact of key individual tax or social security measures

    This isn't even the same as a Risk Assessment which DWP does not carry out on behalf of its benefits claimants.

    😶

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,558 Championing
    edited March 2025

    You have made your point.

    I would appreciate it if you would please refrain from trying to intimidate me.

    @soldcb

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    I am so sorry you’ve seen things this way. But I can assure you it is an overreaction. This is all very distressing and emotional, but I have no reason to intimidate you, on any level, why would I? My only interest was to give a fuller picture,
    what a shame.

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    I wasn’t able to listen in sounds like it was worthwhile @LouCie61

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    It was an amazing afternoon. Various speakers and an online protest etc. There's a recording I think if you want to listen to the speakers, very moving..

    A lot of hard work went into it by the organisers.

  • soldcb
    soldcb Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    great thanks I’ll have a look for it tomorrow.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    Yes, @gamer1, that was essentially Reeves’ “mantra” in the Spring Statement, wasn’t it?

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    picked this up scouring the news:

    “Chancellor Rachel Reeves has recently faced criticism for accepting complimentary VIP tickets to a Sabrina Carpenter concert, valued at £600, while simultaneously implementing significant cuts to welfare benefits. This juxtaposition has sparked public outcry and debate over the appropriateness of such actions by a high-ranking government official. 
    Housing Minister Matthew Pennycook publicly criticised Reeves, stating that accepting free concert tickets is “not appropriate” and emphasising that he personally would pay for any events he attended.  
    The controversy intensified as Reeves’ Spring Statement introduced substantial welfare cuts, projected to push an estimated 250,000 people, including 50,000 children, into poverty by the end of the decade. The government’s own impact assessment revealed that 3.2 million families would lose an average of £1,720 annually due to these changes.  
    In defense, Reeves cited security concerns as a reason for accepting the complimentary tickets. However, this explanation has done little to quell the criticism from both the public and fellow politicians. The incident has raised broader questions about the ethical implications of MPs accepting expensive gifts and the perceived disconnect between policymakers and the constituents affected by their decisions.”

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Community Member Posts: 488 Empowering

    I think nothing has been said about income based ESA, am totally flumexed about link between that and pip. I had assessment by my primary care trust mental health team and was terrible, telling me to do what I can't do as it may help me, that I score 10 points for. It's all overwhelming.