Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

Starmer is putting the changes to a vote which means it will become the law of the land, I guess the Lords could amend the changes but I'm not sure.

Thing is this "4 point rule" surely would require a consultation? We know their Green Paper will get challenged.

This gets worse by the day. What an evil diabolical government this is

This is whats wriiten on Benefits & Work, I dont know where they got it from but there must be something in it for them to post it.

There are growing reports that Labour aim to introduce a bill in May and, if it certified as a money bill, the Lords will not be able to amend or delay it for more than a month, meaning the PIP and UC cuts could be  on the statute book by the end of July, ready to be implemented next year.

by reading this, the 4 point rule can’t be considered a money bill:

A Money Bill means a Public Bill which in the opinion of the Speaker of the House of Commons contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following subjects, namely, the imposition, repeal, remission, alteration, or regulation of taxation; the imposition for the payment of debt or other financial purposes of charges on the Consolidated Fund, the National Loans Fund or on money provided by Parliament, or the variation or repeal of any such charges; supply; the appropriation, receipt, custody, issue or audit of accounts of public money; the raising or guarantee of any loan or the repayment thereof; or subordinate matters incidental to those subjects or any of them. In this subsection the expressions “taxation”, “public money”, and “loan” respectively do not include any taxation, money, or loan raised by local authorities or bodies for local purposes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills

100%. Petitions, consultations and letters are useless. {Comment removed - uncivil language}

Charities being spineless and relying on backroom lobbying (that hasn't worked for many years now) is one reason the British left is in the state that it is.

reading further on this, it seems that the 4 point rule could be passed as a money law cause PIP is not part of National Insurance Fund, unlike ESA CB.

That’s how they managed to pass the winter fuel payment so quickly I believe.

However, I’m not sure if it contravenes the social security adm act 1992 and maybe it can be challenged in court that way?

In all cases if you pass it as a money bill you’ll have to say that it was because you wanted to reduce the deficit (the purpose of cutting public expenditure and reducing the budget deficit).

I don’t think it’s a clear cut when it comes to PIP

I think so too.

I think having 27 already stating that they are opposing the cuts means that there are lots siting on the fence

I think they are waiting for the green paper consultation to finish, then hopefully they will come out opposing the government.