Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I hope to god somebody's going to take legal action. What they're doing is so wrong
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Starmer is putting the changes to a vote which means it will become the law of the land, I guess the Lords could amend the changes but I'm not sure.
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Hi Guys! As this is my first post since joining i hate for it to be negative, but I really don't think petitions and emails to your local Mp are going to work. Kier and Co have absolutely no morals whatsoever and will do everything they can to push it through. Charities and the like need to be alot more vocal via social media instead of sitting meakly in the corner telling us to sign petitions. Maybe behind closed doors they are doing more? But all I see on this forum and elsewhere is people( I include myself)with different disabilities suffering mental and physical anguish not knowing what the hell is going on and wondering If they are going to forced into further poverty. It's heartbreaking 💔 This gov is truly evil.
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Thing is this "4 point rule" surely would require a consultation? We know their Green Paper will get challenged.
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the 4 point rule is not part of the consultation.
I think that’s why they can vote for it so soon.
Wether that can be legally challenged, I don’t know
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This gets worse by the day. What an evil diabolical government this is
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I emailed two of these MPs - linked to Parkinsons and Osteoporosis and got back "sorry can't help - your not in my area" so don't bother !!
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This is whats wriiten on Benefits & Work, I dont know where they got it from but there must be something in it for them to post it.
There are growing reports that Labour aim to introduce a bill in May and, if it certified as a money bill, the Lords will not be able to amend or delay it for more than a month, meaning the PIP and UC cuts could be on the statute book by the end of July, ready to be implemented next year.
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but is it a money bill?
A money bill is a bill that in the opinion of the House of Commons Speaker is concerned only with national taxation, public money or loans.1 -
by reading this, the 4 point rule can’t be considered a money bill:
A Money Bill means a Public Bill which in the opinion of the Speaker of the House of Commons contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following subjects, namely, the imposition, repeal, remission, alteration, or regulation of taxation; the imposition for the payment of debt or other financial purposes of charges on the Consolidated Fund, the National Loans Fund or on money provided by Parliament, or the variation or repeal of any such charges; supply; the appropriation, receipt, custody, issue or audit of accounts of public money; the raising or guarantee of any loan or the repayment thereof; or subordinate matters incidental to those subjects or any of them. In this subsection the expressions “taxation”, “public money”, and “loan” respectively do not include any taxation, money, or loan raised by local authorities or bodies for local purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills3 -
They will do anything they can get away with. We are worse than rubbish to them. People need to get out and protest and cause a problem. It is the only way they might listen.
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I remember this thing about a ‘money bill’ coming to light when they took away the extra money for LCW. The Lords stopped it initially but then the government said the Lords couldn’t do that as it was a money thing and the change went through
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Him and his lawyer mates will have covered every loophole to get this through.
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100%. Petitions, consultations and letters are useless. {Comment removed - uncivil language}
Charities being spineless and relying on backroom lobbying (that hasn't worked for many years now) is one reason the British left is in the state that it is.
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did you email their MP accounts or their APPG accounts? if its the former, that's why they fobbed you off.
if you feel comfortable naming the two MPs you contacted, that'd benefit everyone.
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reading further on this, it seems that the 4 point rule could be passed as a money law cause PIP is not part of National Insurance Fund, unlike ESA CB.
That’s how they managed to pass the winter fuel payment so quickly I believe.
However, I’m not sure if it contravenes the social security adm act 1992 and maybe it can be challenged in court that way?
In all cases if you pass it as a money bill you’ll have to say that it was because you wanted to reduce the deficit (the purpose of cutting public expenditure and reducing the budget deficit).
I don’t think it’s a clear cut when it comes to PIP
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I've just heard from my MP. She is opposed to the cuts and wants to meet me and others in our position, so although there's a list of only 27 MPs who have stated they will vote against the cuts, I reckon there's many more biding their time.
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I think so too.
I think having 27 already stating that they are opposing the cuts means that there are lots siting on the fence
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Another Lie? 🤔
“DWP ordered to correct 'entirely misleading' claim about universal credit claimants looking for work”(Courtesy: Big Issue, 01 Apr 2025)
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I think they are waiting for the green paper consultation to finish, then hopefully they will come out opposing the government.
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