Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I remember this thing about a ‘money bill’ coming to light when they took away the extra money for LCW. The Lords stopped it initially but then the government said the Lords couldn’t do that as it was a money thing and the change went through
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Him and his lawyer mates will have covered every loophole to get this through.
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100%. Petitions, consultations and letters are useless. {Comment removed - uncivil language}
Charities being spineless and relying on backroom lobbying (that hasn't worked for many years now) is one reason the British left is in the state that it is.
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did you email their MP accounts or their APPG accounts? if its the former, that's why they fobbed you off.
if you feel comfortable naming the two MPs you contacted, that'd benefit everyone.
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reading further on this, it seems that the 4 point rule could be passed as a money law cause PIP is not part of National Insurance Fund, unlike ESA CB.
That’s how they managed to pass the winter fuel payment so quickly I believe.
However, I’m not sure if it contravenes the social security adm act 1992 and maybe it can be challenged in court that way?
In all cases if you pass it as a money bill you’ll have to say that it was because you wanted to reduce the deficit (the purpose of cutting public expenditure and reducing the budget deficit).
I don’t think it’s a clear cut when it comes to PIP
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I've just heard from my MP. She is opposed to the cuts and wants to meet me and others in our position, so although there's a list of only 27 MPs who have stated they will vote against the cuts, I reckon there's many more biding their time.
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I think so too.
I think having 27 already stating that they are opposing the cuts means that there are lots siting on the fence
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Another Lie? 🤔
“DWP ordered to correct 'entirely misleading' claim about universal credit claimants looking for work”(Courtesy: Big Issue, 01 Apr 2025)
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I think they are waiting for the green paper consultation to finish, then hopefully they will come out opposing the government.
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If they can pass PIP as a money bill, what about the lcw/ra can they abolish this as easy?
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hayesj@parliament.uk and sonia.kumar.mp@parliament.uk
I do not live in either constituency - so they will not deal with me
Those email addresses are all that they have !
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they aren’t part of National Insurance Fund, so as far as what I’ve read, yes.
Do they mention anything about this in the questions in the green paper consultation?
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Think have to accept its done deal the whole of The uk what labour are doing is shocking they don't value people going to be awful
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Why they bringing another green paper out
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What does this mean
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I meant the green paper that's already out. It runs for 12 weeks, so they are probably waiting for the conclusion to that before they speak out
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my understanding is that certain benefits, like winter payment, housing benefit, uc health element they are not part of the National insurance Fund. So government can potentially change those as a money bill. Which hastens the process by a lot I think.
Again this is my understanding for what I’ve read in gov website and what people have been posting.
If there are other avenues to challenge those, I don’t know.
I know that some pensioners have taken the government to court regarding the winter fuel payment. But I don’t have the ins and outs of that bill, process etc
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Maybe the second green paper states all this about pip
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Thankyou for explaining I think he's ten steps ahead have to accept its happening
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I think you are overrating KS abilities by a lot.
He’s a finished politician already. You’ll see
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