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Will todays spending review mention our PIP matter ?
It doesn't look like it will - the chancellor is going to be talking about Defence, Power, WFP, School meals.., etc but not what really matters to us…
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From Rightsnet site today
Ministers planning to introduce a bill to parliament next week containing government’s proposed disability benefit cuts
Via the Politico website:
Ministers are drawing up plans to introduce a bill to parliament next week containing Labour’s controversial cuts to disability benefits, in time for a showdown vote — the “second reading” — in the week of June 30 or later.
One person with knowledge of the plans said the bill was likely to be tightly focused on the cuts, while other welfare reforms will come only later in the year. This will concentrate Labour MPs’ anger, but could also allow the government to classify it as a “money bill” — meaning it would be made law within a month of being sent to the House of Lords even if peers still object.
Officials have also held talks about putting the bill through a “committee of the whole house,” preventing lengthy evidence sessions that could question experts and campaigners. The person with knowledge of the plans argued: “You rip the plaster off, otherwise it just drags out for longer.”
But one Labour official said: “The welfare vote will blow it all up again. I think at least one minister will resign.”
More: Missions impossible: Can Starmer’s Cabinet get behind his plan?
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/now/post/63404
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I think at the moment there are vagrancy laws which have been in place for 200 years . Labour are scrapping them . There’ll be something behind it as this lot don’t do anything for the good of the people.
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She’ll want to emphasise how much she’s spending on the working people, no austerity here. The only cut backs are for us and when you consider how much they’re throwing around savings to disabled benefit are peanuts. I don’t think any party would have removed support from over a million people. And if they tried Labour would be voting against it
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Correspondence from the Secretary of State, responding to the Committee’s 21 May letter regarding the Pathways to Work Green Paper
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/164/work-and-pensions-committee/publications
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If they tried to push it through as a money bill it would certainly be the end for Starmer, I think it really would be a step too far for not just labour mp's but the house of commons. I also think the media like to inflame these issues and make things up, albeit maybe some minor truth in it like they had a discussion about it or something. Starmer already has loads of mp's rebelling against these cuts, he'd be a complete fool to try and do this, although I agree he's a complete ego maniac and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.
Under the Parliament Act 1911, a bill can be designated a Money Bill if it only contains provisions dealing with national taxation, public money, or loans. This designation:
- Must be made by the Speaker of the House of Commons, not the government.
- Cannot be challenged in court once made.
- Severely limits scrutiny: the House of Lords can debate it but not amend or block it, and it becomes law within a month of passing the Commons.
⚠️ Why This Is Controversial and Possibly Abusive
The article suggests the government might:
- Draft the bill narrowly, focusing only on cuts (e.g. changes to PIP or eligibility rules).
- Classify it as a Money Bill to bypass Lords scrutiny and rush it through.
- Use a Committee of the Whole House to dodge detailed evidence hearings.
If true, this would be a deliberate effort to reduce parliamentary scrutiny and push through significant cuts to disability support with minimal opposition.
That would raise serious democratic and constitutional concerns, especially if:
- The cuts affect entitlement criteria (not just spending levels).
- The bill includes non-financial provisions, like assessment reforms or obligations on claimants.
Even if it technically qualifies, this approach would be seen as undermining transparency and accountability on a matter that deeply affects disabled people.
🧨 Political Fallout?
As the article notes:
- Labour MPs and ministers may revolt.
- At least one minister may resign.
- The strategy could inflame public and media backlash — especially from disability rights groups.
This could also unite cross-party opposition and possibly result in legal or procedural challenges in Parliament (though courts cannot overturn a Speaker's Money Bill ruling).
🔍 What to Watch
- When the bill is introduced (expected mid-June).
- Whether it is certified as a Money Bill by the Speaker.
- What the bill actually says — does it only adjust finances, or does it impose new rules and obligations?
- Backbench and ministerial response, especially from Labour or crossbench Lords.
- Statements by disability groups (like Disability Rights UK, Z2K, or the Disability Benefits Consortium).
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More of Kendall’s bs then . If the genuine disabled will be protected and only those million that are not really sick or disabled will lose out why are they consulting other sources who can help when we lose pip . We won’t need help from local councils etc if we are ok to work.
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Thanks for posting this Catherine.
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From the Rightsnet site
DWP backtracks on FOI response that stated pension age PIP claimants will not be subject to 4 point ruleThis FOI response issued on 15 May 2025 includes the following -
‘… those above working age who score fewer than 4 points in all daily living activities … will not have their eligibility assessed on this requirement, although current working age claimants that are affected may continue to be affected after they reach state pension age.’
When asked to clarify if this means it has been decided that there will be a specific exclusion of pension age claimants from the 4 point rule, the DWP issued a further FOI response (dated 4 June 2025) confirming that is now withholding the information requested -
‘The Department can confirm that it holds information relevant to your request. However, this material is being withheld under Section 35(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, which exempts information relating to the formulation or development of government policy.
Your questions pertain to part of a live and evolving process of policy formulation, where officials and Ministers are considering a range of options, including those that may not ultimately be taken forward.’
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/21219
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You've just taken the words out of my mouth! Yep, she mentioned "the working people of this country" in that awful grating voice she has.
Yes, they seem to have money to throw around all over the place at the moment; yet they are still planning to take it from the vulnerable in society. In my opinion, what they are proposing for the chronically ill and disabled has nothing to do with spending cuts, it is more of a cull. 😡1 -
Disability cuts + assisted dying bill + scrapping vagrancy laws . Is this their way of giving us support ?
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Kendall submits a mealy-mouthed 4-page letter, but her basic reply (and attitude) to the Select Committee can be summed up by 14 words that come right at the end: "We will not avoid or delay the decisive action
needed to transform the system..."In other words, "**** you!"
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Just emailed my mp, angela & john again this time saying that disabled people are feeling that
- Repealing vagrancy law is to prepare for when we lose pip & our homes
- That rushing assisted dying is to prepare when we lose hope
- Rushing disability cuts is out of malice not help
Wonder if ill get a response?
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I have proof in my pip forms that my descriptor should have been a 4 but given a two even though they’re supposed to award the highest point not lower. That’s why so many don’t get a 4.
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It’s all adding up
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To ask any official info - from DWP
To obtain info that DWP holds on YOU -(SAR)
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Not a single mention of cuts to disability benefits in todays spending review by Reeves !!
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