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Unfortunately I've spoke to soon.
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Only 50.
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Yes. I remember thinking, "How can Ivan's Dad do this to us?"
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That's what I've been saying this whole time , 170 MPs was never the number that was rebelling , anyone that had a bit of political nous including many figures who were dead against these cuts were saying these reforms would never be voted down , what matters now is what amendments or tweaks or whatever they will be presented as ..... So far that poisonous little goblin Kendall has said we can have a extra 8 weeks run on if our payments are stopped , what a disgraceful thing , like everything will work itself out in those few weeks .... It just reeks of incompetence , literally the Labour party have stolen the kernel of a vicious Tory policy because they have no ideas of their own and then have Absolutely no clue on how to begin to implement it , and the reason they can't is because it is flawed on everyway , do you know I'm totally ashamed of myself for voting this mob in , it was anything to get the Tories out , but I never ever thought it was going to go like this , I thought it was impossible to hate someone as much as Johnson , but I've gotta say starmer is up there
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Just got to stay strong, look after ourselves best we can and see what the next few months bring. Thinking of you all.
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I woke in the night in absolute terror.
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I hope you’re ok, I feel very anxious and uneasy Zipz.
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Thank you.
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"And this goes far beyond welfare. We have to be able to make tough reforms that are the right thing to do. If we cannot get this through the consequences are far bigger than just this reform.”
Apart from the failure to elaborate on what these "consequences" might be, and the mystifying claim that this "goes far beyond welfare", there is an implicit suggestion here that there's some doubt about getting the cuts through as presented. It's quite desperate language they're using - "we have to" and "if we cannot, then..."
I also notice a tone of real uncertainty in the statement about there not being a clear leader of the rebels, and deep concerns across the party. Something doesn't add up here.
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Early this morning, I saw a FB post from a local group, urging PIP claimants to reapply now. I assume they meant report a change of circumstances. The idea is to ensure the claimant is assessed before the 4-point rule and before any change in descriptors. I wouldn't do this myself. I have multiple "fours" and higher scores and some years before reassessment. (I was awarded 10 years.) However, if enough claimants did this, the DWP would be in meltdown.
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PasserbyPosts: 529 Championing1:15AMedited 1:40AMIf you think these are tall tales I'm making up, then, Google is your friend.If you're expecting to read the DWP saying that it has been giving undisclosed guidelines to its assessors, you would be disappointed big time, I'm afraid.If you're so sure of your claims it would be simple for you to provide the source like everyone else does when making grand statements such as these!
I don't have time to search for it or waste playing games.
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How many Bills?
This is from Benefits & Work:
Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill Updates
Published: 18 June 2025
The Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill is due to be published this afternoon. This is the bill that will enable the introduction of the PIP 4-point rule and cuts to universal credit for disabled claimants.
We’ll provides links, analysis and the opportunity for you to comment on this page.
According to the UK parliament website, it is a: "Bill to make provision to alter the rates of the standard allowance, limited capability for work element and limited capability for work and work-related activity element of universal credit and the rates of income-related employment and support allowance, and to restrict eligibility for the personal independence payment."
Today's First Reading seems only to deal with UC cuts and PIP. There's nothing about the abolition of WCA, ages at which young claimants can claim adult benefits, and much more that is in the Green Paper.
Have l misread this? Will there be more than one Bill to do with Welfare?
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If assessors continue to mark down as they currently do the system will go into meltdown. Far worse than when pip first came in and they had to train new judges and hire extra premises. They reckon they can’t u turn as our money has been spent, well they’re going to be paying out more on appeals etc than they costed in
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https://whatson.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-18/ Still nothing going on in parliament re PIP
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It feels like blackmail to me . If the rebels don’t vote this through things will be worse for other more worthy people. Is this where ending child poverty comes in ? They are supposedly looking into that and two child limit in autumn and hoping to vote for disability cuts asap . Whatever it is it seems as though only sacrificing us can save the country. That’s how I read that and how I’ve felt for a long time .
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What does this mean ? I thought they were discussing the bill today ready to vote in two weeks time ?
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Absolutely agree, it's blackmailing language and that is the only quoted basis for what has been written about in the media in the last day or two. The same quotes rehashed, and they are essentially characterised by a tone of "these are our demands."
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The First Reading (and the publication of the Bill) is this afternoon. The Second Reading ( and debate and vote) is on 1st July:
https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/95520/Html?subType=Standard#_idTextAnchor004
Today's Bill appears limited by comparison with proposals set forwards in the Green Paper.
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Oh I was confused as the previous post didn’t show the details of today’s reading
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I have never come across a "sadistic" one but ones who clearly didn't understand how my disability impacts my daily life.
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