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  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 410 Pioneering

    @Zipz There has been no mention of legacy CB-ESA which is concerning. I think the government will try and merge JS-CB into a time-limited Insurance Benefit for new claimants. Please note that this is only my thoughts on it and are not facts.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    The reference to "new claims" was written poorly in the Green Paper. We never found out whether those of us claiming legacy CB-ESA with nil UC entitlement will be included in the scheme.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing
    edited June 2025

    This bill is to cut pip, cut LCWRA and tighten the eligibility for PIP.

    This has nothing to do with the Green Paper/Consultation.

    The Green Paper is going to be another thing for us to fight because they want to abolish the Work Capability Assessment and in turn Limited Capability for Work and Limited Capability for Work Related Activity.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    I'll say this and someone else said it, they can't force a person who can't work to look for work. They will harass and force sanctions on the disabled, that CANNOT SLIDE.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 6,351 Online Community Team
    edited June 2025

    Unfortunately despite my comment earlier today, the situation has continued throughout the day. Therefore I must temporarily pause this conversation whilst the matter is reviewed. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 6,351 Online Community Team

    Afternoon all. A review has now been completed and a number of comments removed and members contacted.

    I'm pleased to advise this discussion has been re-opened however please remember that tensions are high for everyone and posts need to be in line with house rules.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing
    edited June 2025

    Hi @Holly_Scope Today was a milestone on our journey together. Things become rocky at these points. There are so many changes proposed in the 2024-29 administration. Might the Mods consider having two threads?

    1. The contents progress of the Bill and its progress through parliament
    2. The consultative Green Paper and what happens after 30 June
  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 6,351 Online Community Team

    Hi @Zipz I'll raise this with the team first thing and we'll come back to you. Thank your for the suggestion. We want to make sure chats as split and clear for everyone ☺️

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I’d appreciate it if you explained what comments I made that were offensive, thanks

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,184 Championing

    Thank you.

    I have been out all day enjoying the sunshine so I have no idea about what was said about disability benefits.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi MW, So really there’s nothing extra in the reforms for us . The severe conditions criteria is confusing. They say 200,00 will qualify so that must mean they’ve decided on certain conditions . Yet part of the criteria is if you have a condition which is lifelong ( incurable). . I looked it up and fibromyalgia and ME combined is almost 150,00. So I can only assume they won’t count even though they can’t be cured . They also mentioned assessments for pip lcwra in a way that makes me think it will again be down to the discretion of the assessors and not NHS guidelines. We have light touch awards already but my Dr said they don’t have anyone on them at the surgery .

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 538 Trailblazing

    is there an abridge summary on the planned cuts in the bill tabled today?

    Also Labour releasing this bill and calling a vote before the consultation period ends tels you exaclty what they think of ordinary people's opposition to their democide.

    Lol. So glad I don't fall for the consultation sham anymore.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    From politics home . I’ve never heard of them so can’t verify if the information is correct

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  • AmyRLS
    AmyRLS Community Member Posts: 3 Listener

    Would someone mind explaining in simple terms what is happening?

    I’ve tried to read and understand from various places but I’m finding it difficult (emotionally as well as mentally!)


    I understand that to get PIP you’ll need 4 points in one activity.

    I don’t understand what (if anything?) is happening to Universal Credit eligibility. I know some numbers are changing, it’s more the overall eligibility I’m concerned with.

    I’m trying to figure out if I’d have any income left after these “reforms”. I know there’s nothing I can do and it’s not happening right away but it would be nice to have time to get an “oh no I’m completely losing my independence” plan together.


    TIA, sorry I’m so bad at being concise :p

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 229 Empowering

    Again been listening to the sky news podcast just now , the two that do it are always very calm and very informed and have alot of contact inside the commons , the lady has said she's had so many discussions with MPs and it's true it's been reported over a hundred are very worried about these reforms and apparently Liz Kendall and Timms have been chairing alot of mini meetings with MPs to try and reassure them , they basically need around 80 MPs within the labour party to mount a serious challenge to get these reforms chucked out , the women hosting this podcast was saying 43 MPs had signed a written letter saying they cannot back them , she said in theory there is more than enough of a rebellion to lead a very significant challenge to these cuts but basically she said saying you are against the cuts and actually voting against the government on this are too totally different things , unfortunately....she said these cuts are going to be very hard to stop and almost certain to go through ...... Again I've been saying this from the very start , anyone you listen to who's got a bit about them and is good at Thier job have been saying this exact same same thing .... These reforms are going through , I was of the opinion that if they do there would be some amendments , but from what they are saying now there may not be 😩 the poxy 12 weeks extra could be enough to get it through ....what a bunch of cowards

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    So over a 100 know what they will do to people but can’t vote against as it’ll ruin their ride on the gravy train. Well they’d better get as many freebie’s as they can as in 4 years time they’ll be in the same position as us . Even the severe category is the same as the light touch we have now that they hardly award . So nothing new .

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 229 Empowering

    Absolute cowards , really does go to show what they really care about

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 410 Pioneering

    @Catherine21 New post from DPAC

    Important update

    The DWP have rescheduled their consultation on the disability cuts. The venue is now much more accessible and has better transport links.

    This was the result of disabled voices calling out the injustices of the previous event.

    The consultation is still unfair with the most controversial proposals not up for discussion.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 410 Pioneering

    I predict that there's going to be a lot of MR and appeals happening when it comes to claimants who are going to be claiming/reassessed under the new PIP criteria (if the 4 point rule goes ahead). Hope DWP are prepared for it.

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