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What we also have to do all of us is make sure we rest as well plenty fluids and eat little and often because even that becomes hard and makes you worse hold in there we have each other and millions of good people fighting this seems impossible when they come across authoritarian and adamant that this is what will happen for the good of the country thier good at mind games goes down the line for centuries but people becoming aware and see it's not fair for anyone in this country and that they are the enemy
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If they deselect can they go independent?
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This bill is to cut pip, cut LCWRA and tighten the eligibility for PIP.
This has nothing to do with the Green Paper/Consultation.
The Green Paper is going to be another thing for us to fight because they want to abolish the Work Capability Assessment and in turn Limited Capability for Work and Limited Capability for Work Related Activity.
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I'll say this and someone else said it, they can't force a person who can't work to look for work. They will harass and force sanctions on the disabled, that CANNOT SLIDE.
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See below, released by the government today.
It is unacceptable that the government continues to withhold clear information about the criteria for SCC group eligibility. They have yet to specify which conditions will be protected, leaving the current document vague and unhelpful. This lack of transparency creates unnecessary confusion and anxiety for claimants who deserve clarity and fairness.
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Unfortunately despite my comment earlier today, the situation has continued throughout the day. Therefore I must temporarily pause this conversation whilst the matter is reviewed. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
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Afternoon all. A review has now been completed and a number of comments removed and members contacted.
I'm pleased to advise this discussion has been re-opened however please remember that tensions are high for everyone and posts need to be in line with house rules.
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I'm confused did goverment say this about themselves sorry my head all over the place
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Hi @Holly_Scope Today was a milestone on our journey together. Things become rocky at these points. There are so many changes proposed in the 2024-29 administration. Might the Mods consider having two threads?
- The contents progress of the Bill and its progress through parliament
- The consultative Green Paper and what happens after 30 June
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Hi @Zipz I'll raise this with the team first thing and we'll come back to you. Thank your for the suggestion. We want to make sure chats as split and clear for everyone ☺️
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I’d appreciate it if you explained what comments I made that were offensive, thanks
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Thank you.
I have been out all day enjoying the sunshine so I have no idea about what was said about disability benefits.
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Hi MW, So really there’s nothing extra in the reforms for us . The severe conditions criteria is confusing. They say 200,00 will qualify so that must mean they’ve decided on certain conditions . Yet part of the criteria is if you have a condition which is lifelong ( incurable). . I looked it up and fibromyalgia and ME combined is almost 150,00. So I can only assume they won’t count even though they can’t be cured . They also mentioned assessments for pip lcwra in a way that makes me think it will again be down to the discretion of the assessors and not NHS guidelines. We have light touch awards already but my Dr said they don’t have anyone on them at the surgery .
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is there an abridge summary on the planned cuts in the bill tabled today?
Also Labour releasing this bill and calling a vote before the consultation period ends tels you exaclty what they think of ordinary people's opposition to their democide.
Lol. So glad I don't fall for the consultation sham anymore.
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From politics home . I’ve never heard of them so can’t verify if the information is correct
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Would someone mind explaining in simple terms what is happening?
I’ve tried to read and understand from various places but I’m finding it difficult (emotionally as well as mentally!)
I understand that to get PIP you’ll need 4 points in one activity.I don’t understand what (if anything?) is happening to Universal Credit eligibility. I know some numbers are changing, it’s more the overall eligibility I’m concerned with.
I’m trying to figure out if I’d have any income left after these “reforms”. I know there’s nothing I can do and it’s not happening right away but it would be nice to have time to get an “oh no I’m completely losing my independence” plan together.
TIA, sorry I’m so bad at being concise :p0 -
Again been listening to the sky news podcast just now , the two that do it are always very calm and very informed and have alot of contact inside the commons , the lady has said she's had so many discussions with MPs and it's true it's been reported over a hundred are very worried about these reforms and apparently Liz Kendall and Timms have been chairing alot of mini meetings with MPs to try and reassure them , they basically need around 80 MPs within the labour party to mount a serious challenge to get these reforms chucked out , the women hosting this podcast was saying 43 MPs had signed a written letter saying they cannot back them , she said in theory there is more than enough of a rebellion to lead a very significant challenge to these cuts but basically she said saying you are against the cuts and actually voting against the government on this are too totally different things , unfortunately....she said these cuts are going to be very hard to stop and almost certain to go through ...... Again I've been saying this from the very start , anyone you listen to who's got a bit about them and is good at Thier job have been saying this exact same same thing .... These reforms are going through , I was of the opinion that if they do there would be some amendments , but from what they are saying now there may not be 😩 the poxy 12 weeks extra could be enough to get it through ....what a bunch of cowards
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So over a 100 know what they will do to people but can’t vote against as it’ll ruin their ride on the gravy train. Well they’d better get as many freebie’s as they can as in 4 years time they’ll be in the same position as us . Even the severe category is the same as the light touch we have now that they hardly award . So nothing new .
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- The PIP cuts and eligibility tightening is their first and foremost agenda, they will obviously stop at nothing to get this through.
- They're looking to leave the Green Paper situation up for debate, amendments and such as Autumn draws in and the Summer recess draws out.
We're fighting a two pronged attack so it will require emotional stamina to withstand this constant worry. On a positive note, I'm thankful, legitimately thankful to the people here who are nipping at the heels of MP's, Councillors, Human Rights orientated apparatus. Your courage and willpower gives other people like me courage and willpower.
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Absolute cowards , really does go to show what they really care about
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