Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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New/existing claimants will all be assessed under the new criteria if not now, eventually. So in that respect there will be fairness across the board so to speak.
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What a mess. I don't think even Liz Kendall understands what is being proposed.
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Looks like it.
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4 points rule will not apply to current claimants when award comes up for review / change of circumstances post Nov 2026 - confirmed by DWP.
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Tories to vote against government's welfare reforms
Kemi Badenoch has confirmed the Conservatives will vote against the government's welfare reforms tomorrow.
Tory MPs had been sitting on the fence somewhat until now, suggesting they might be willing to back the prime minister as they too believe the benefits bill needs to come down.
But Badenoch says Labour's plans are "not serious".
PM has 'watered down' plans
"Last week, we challenged them to cut the welfare budget, to bring in measures that would get people back into work, and to assure us there wouldn’t be new taxes to fill the gap," Badenoch says.
"Keir Starmer has not met those challenges, in fact he's watered down the small savings Labour were making.
"We have a government that is incapable of governing. For that reason, we will be voting against the welfare bill tomorrow."
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I think there is some misunderstanding in this thread, I dont trust this lot, but its very clear that existing claimants post 2026, will not be subject to the 4 point rule. I think I watched at least 10 MPs ask the question even though it was answered, and it was the answer every time.
The bit that is unclear is what happens after Timms changes become law later down the line.
She also said those passporting onto PIP from other benefits would be exempt as well.3 -
DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.
The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:
What has changed?
As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.
Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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Liz Kendall: “As is the case now, people can request reassessment whenever they want. For existing claimants they will remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026. From November 2026 onwards, there will be that 4 point minimum.”
Are you sure the answer was clear every time? 😎
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DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that
Stephen Timmshas sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:
What has changed?As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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sky news .
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I understood that once the new PIP proposal (done alongside disability groups, whatever that means, cause that’s very unclear too) comes through, everyone will be subject to the 4 point rule
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DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.
The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:
What has changed?
As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.
Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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I understood that once the new PIP proposal (done alongside disability groups, whatever that means, cause that’s very unclear too) comes through, everyone will be subject to the 4 point rule
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Apologies to everyone if I have misread what has been said in parliament today. I would really appreciate if someone could clarify this 4 point rule to me. Will this apply to everyone who is making a claim/reassessed from November 2026? I really appreciate all your help.
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What time is the vote tomorrow ?
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Still no clarity on the fate of those on LCWRA who have no PIP.
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😂😂😂😂 WHAT AN ABSOLUTE **** SHOW .... Liz Kendall had absolutely no idea what was going on !
So from what I got from all that was ..... Absolutely nothing , I'm more lost now than before I watched it .... Honestly I'm so angry 😡 there a disgrace!!
So basically ...
Im on CBESA / new style esa and LCWRA but NO PIP
So my plan was right all along !
Keep getting reassessed through the WCA , that covers my ESA and my lcwra , with the reassessments starting back up at scale in mid 2026 even though I'm overdue by 4 years in November hopefully I can dodge a reassessment until beginning of 2027 with the backlog.... Hopefully I can then pass it and get a two year award taking me too the beginning of 2029 where I will then have to try to pass the new pip criteria just to keep what I have as I'm pretty sure even though I'm a existing claiment for ESA and lcwra , I'll be classed as a new pip claiment when transitioning over !
What an absolute disgrace these politicians are , I despise them !
A special mention to the cowards who backed the rebellion and have now pulled out as they got spooked and are trying to say this is now a good deal
ABSOLUTELY nothing has changed , complete stitch up
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Kendall is dangerously out of her depth.
I'm sorry to say that especially in light on online bullying, I'm against bullying and abuse full stop but you just cannot have a politician who hasn't got a clue being in charge of a massively important department like Work and Pensions.
She hates disabled people and thinks many of them are lazy scroungers, that in itself should disqualify her from that position.
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Kemi said Tory’s voting against
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