Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • [Deleted User]
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  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 414 Trailblazing

    I'm in the group who do not trust Timms one inch.

    His statement around the inclusion of the word 'constantly' was worrying. He mumbled about it not being a change. It is a change.

    What Timms implied when he said, paraphrasing here, the constantly element will only apply to the task attempted when a person with a severe condition is in a regression phase of their condition i.e. in regression they will be constantly unable to complete a task.

    I think most conditions are variable to greater/lesser degrees. It seems to me Timms is cherry-picking the conditions he considers to be variable, and will be applying the 'constantly' requirement to all other conditions, which very few people, if any, will meet.

    For myself, for example, I can leave home once in a while with someone with me. Even less frequently, I can go out to, say, an ATM on my own when the roads are empty or I can go to my local butcher when he opens at 6:30am and no-one is around. That means I am not constantly unable to leave home whenever I attempt to do so - which is I am unable 99% of the time I attempt to do so, but not constantly unable.

    In short, I believe the use of the word 'constantly' was deliberate, and will be taken literally by assessors under DWP instruction. If it were not deliberate, they would have used 'consistently', rather than 'constantly'.

    His statement around co-production was even worse, imo. Rather than confirm every participant in the review would have the right of veto, he said the Review would operate on a basis of consensus. That means the make-up of the Review Committee will be key in this. If it's top-heavy with compliant Labour MPs they will ride roughshod over our representatives.

    I feel just about everything he says is said with a forked-tongue, and MPs walked into his trap.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Sorry Zipz, my head is mush and I cant remember where I read it now ugh and cant find it because I have looked at so many links. All I remember is something about the green paper bill itself could not be certified as a money bill but the outcome of Universal Credit bill has been ? That's what I read, it might all become clearer tomorrow hopefully 😊

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Yep exactly, just a play on words as I wrote when I hammered my keyboard earlier 😁

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    DIdn't Timms say the majority engaged and represented in the review will be disabled people and disability groups? I think that was another concession.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Hi Dav1d ,

    Does this mean as long as you fit the descriptor criteria you’re eligible for scc for pip and lcwra and you don’t have to have symptoms constantly but most of the time ?

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 414 Pioneering

    I think the Spinal Injuries Association are upbeat about it. However I wish a shared their enthusiasm. I don't trust the government one bit. I predict they'll sneak something through to do with ESA without much challenge. My concerns are what will the new descriptors be for PIP coming down the line. One thing is for sure it won't be to our advantage. Sorry I don't mean to be downbeat tonight.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I think we need to record every assessment so they know they can’t lie . Don’t even rely on them recording as they played a trick on me last time.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 414 Trailblazing

    I must have missed that! Assuming he did say it, and he honours that statement, then that's good news.

    I'm afraid I just don't trust him. I think he's slippery, is adept at playing semantics, and has his eyes firmly set on a seat in the Lords.

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    I'm getting overwhelmed trying to catch up on what's been happening.

    But has anything else been said on diagnosis only accepted if by NHS doctors? As in them reconsidering?

  • [Deleted User]
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  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Hi YogiBear, I feel the same way. They are determined to claw back/save money from welfare cuts and they will one way or another. I believe the descriptors will be altered and they wont be to our advantage. I have felt it all along, all assessments will be made much more difficult, the criteria/threshold will be changed upwards and a play on words will be used. When that happens we will be stuck with it as the powers that be will say, ''well we have the Timms review/consultation, we spoke to the disabled blah blah'', lets see what they actually take onboard from said consultations. Its still all one big ploy in my opinion.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/closing-the-gap-between-intention-and-experience

    Sound familiar ? 2019 ! I posted about this in March when the merged assessments in the Green paper were announced and will now still go ahead. The DWP/Gov at the time were to carry out a small scale test/study on a select number of areas in the UK to see how merging the two assessments faired, what the outcome would be and if it would work. I have brought this up now because I never did find any evidence that this small scale study was conducted.

    https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2019/march/drukondisabilityassessments

    This was the response at that time to the above from Disability Rights UK. It still rings true today.

    SCOPE hosted the event above, first link. I am just wondering if SCOPE has access to historical data re that small scale test of merging the two assessments ?

  • carteroo5
    carteroo5 Online Community Member Posts: 24 Contributor

    Hi, I'm still not fully understanding what everything means...Could someone tell me what happens to me in my situation.

    I get LCWRA, Was awarded this in March 2024, This was to be reviewed within 12 months, As of yet I e not heard anything. Will I lose this come next year?

    Pip wise I get standard mobility, Daily living I scored 4 points so didn't qualify for that. This gets reviewed June next year, Should I try again for the daily living element?

    Thanks in advance for any replies

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 75 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Hi SS,

    I believe that is what it means yes.

    That is certainly almost definitely what he seems to be saying. Short of any retraction.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    My thinking is just my thinking if you have more than one diagnosis that could be constantly where one may have moments of clarity pain free could be over ridden by another diagnosis that takes over so constant and also triggers that make illness worse like being round people work controlling emotions ect we have given this our all it's passed noting we can do gather all medical evidence and fight because this has taken us to hell and back and we are still standing oh I can imagine them celebrating but remember they have broken so many human rights and they recieved a letter from un stating they have strong evidence of this !! Watch this space ps if I find my mp voted for this I will send my last ever email stating I will do everything in my power come may I organise a group in my area to get him out I sent him 50 emails voice messages me and millions because come may they will be scared uncertain frightened they will lose everything just like we have been for months !!!!And we have our say then this was the time to prove who was a good mp over shadowed beautiful wonderful mps who stood and spoke from the heart and soul they must be shattered and thanked they wanted this as much as we did I cried my mental health gone to pieces we will have to come down from months of this I couldn't have got through this without any of you including people last year ❤️ I'm preying the human right part of all this is what will bring them down the next fight pip but we would have reserved our energy for that they haven't won because they cheated did cowards way well starmers way doesn't like people to have opinions or challenge the bill because the Lords would have shredded it here's to another day my good friends peace to us all allow ourselves that break noting happening immediately and hopefully something amazing happens before then

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Yep and 16 to 22 years old can't claim I don't think that was even discussed so are we all going to be forced on pathway to work I just give up amd I tell you all those MPs who voted for this come may get them out !! Heartbroken tired scared overwhelmed

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Noting can't be challenged in court Noting vote all Labour mps who voted for this in may I feel despair too I can imagine we are all pretty low

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    I just feel sorrow sorry I just don't trust them as so much on pip which is fantastic but the protection for disabled people who can't work will we be forced to Pathways to work job coaches that will do tailored packages ?

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