Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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Hi can you approve my message to strawberry thanks
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Watching question time last night it was interesting to listen to the fact that one person said that the majority of pip claims are now due to mh and he wasn't convinced that we have suddenly got sicker.
Other countries have all gone back to work, but the uk hasn't and they can't really work out why.
It was then mentioned that as a country our unemployment benefits are the lowest meaning that people go on to claim the sickness in order to live. So it's those people they want to weed out.
The job centre was going to be about work and not welfare and getting everyone back in to work.
That all sounds possible and positive I guess. 2029 was mentioned and pip reforms.
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The problem as I see it is we will be the future claimants as esa will have been merged into lcwra. They won't know when you were originally signed as unfit, or what for as I don't the wca goes with us.
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My thinking on this is because it puts everyone in the same place and they have a simpler system.
However it's called limited capacity to work isn't it, not, you can't do anything at all. We will still have to wait fit the green paper, but my concern is the pip reforms, dropping the wca and bringing in the health element that I read was going to be for those on pip as a linked benefit.
If disabled and long term sick people didn't people have mh issues before claiming, they will have a a result of all the uncertainty.
It just reads as every five years they change things to try and save money, the changes must cost millions.
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Oh OK thanks albus
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I've read again and can see your point of view if we keep stoking the bear we will lose I think your right just my thoughts on this but I think the more people push forward I think kier starmer won't back down at all I think it makes him more defiant
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And getting us on UC signing a contract to say will conform to UC rules
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What I don't understand is how can they push wca forward to 2025 if thier making thier own changes wouldn't it have to go through house of lords
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Albus what is the difference between disabled and long term sick ?
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Hey @Catherine21 In the UK, a 'disabled' person has a long-term physical or mental impairment that significantly affects their daily activities, protected under the Equality Act 2010.
'Long-term sick' refers to someone off work due to illness for an extended period, but this doesn't necessarily imply a permanent or significant impact on day-to-day activities.
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So everyone who reassessed for pip next coming years and have award past 2029 will more likely be ok ?
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Oh great thankyou
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That explanation has really put my mind at ease a bit I always struggled to understand
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Thanks for explaining, bit confusing how they explained it. So who are they targeting more disabled which I fall into or long term sick ?
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I'd not say targeting is the correct term, I'd say focusing, that sounds slightly less threatening haha.
They're looking at helping those who can work back into work, there's no talk of forcing anyone. They want to tackle long term sickness before it happens, so better access to the NHS, shorter waiting times for operations and therapies etc.
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Apologies I say the wrong things all the time and don't realise.
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Oh it's not a problem at all @Andi66 😊
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Catherine and Andi, the assessment process for each category of claimant is being merged into one because it became so muddled. PIP isn't the problem for DWP. Means-tested incapacity benefits for working-age people are.
Invalidity Benefit and Incapacity Benefit/Income Support claimants were migrated (most unlawfully) to Employment and Support Allowance (LCW or LCWRA) which for some is now Employment Support Allowance AKA Job Seekers Allowance or UC personal allowance £90 or so and no incapacity/disability component in the award.
UC 'simplifying' the system by rolling 6 benefits into one… not even for themselves 😞
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Job Centres began closing when Work Programme was rolled out in 2011.
Illogical waste of money if WP was to help support people get 'back into work'.
2024 and Job Centres are to be rebuilt to help support people get 'back into work'.
I cost the state less now I'm not eligible for a state pension and wonder how much has been saved on the benefits bill through that wheeze for women. Does anyone know?
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