Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,795 Championing

    That explanation has really put my mind at ease a bit I always struggled to understand

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    Thanks for explaining, bit confusing how they explained it. So who are they targeting more disabled which I fall into or long term sick ?

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 8,327 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I'd not say targeting is the correct term, I'd say focusing, that sounds slightly less threatening haha.

    They're looking at helping those who can work back into work, there's no talk of forcing anyone. They want to tackle long term sickness before it happens, so better access to the NHS, shorter waiting times for operations and therapies etc.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    Apologies I say the wrong things all the time and don't realise.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 8,327 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Oh it's not a problem at all @Andi66 😊

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited November 29

    Catherine and Andi, the assessment process for each category of claimant is being merged into one because it became so muddled. PIP isn't the problem for DWP. Means-tested incapacity benefits for working-age people are.

    Invalidity Benefit and Incapacity Benefit/Income Support claimants were migrated (most unlawfully) to Employment and Support Allowance (LCW or LCWRA) which for some is now Employment Support Allowance AKA Job Seekers Allowance or UC personal allowance £90 or so and no incapacity/disability component in the award.

    UC 'simplifying' the system by rolling 6 benefits into one… not even for themselves 😞

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited November 29

    Job Centres began closing when Work Programme was rolled out in 2011.

    Illogical waste of money if WP was to help support people get 'back into work'.

    2024 and Job Centres are to be rebuilt to help support people get 'back into work'.

    I cost the state less now I'm not eligible for a state pension and wonder how much has been saved on the benefits bill through that wheeze for women. Does anyone know?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,795 Championing

    What does end part mean pls simplifying not even for themselves

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing

    It's ridiculously complicated for them as well as us..

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,945 Championing

    When I was on DLA I was encouraged to be pro active and do things with my life.They asked me what I would spend the money on, what hobbies I would do, encouraged me to do voluntary work which I did.

    Next comes PIP that just focuses on what you can't do. I don't score enough based on their points system.

    Now, they want to go back to encouraging people to do things again as they've discovered maybe that just focusing on what you can't do is negative and stagnant.

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,945 Championing

    Why are some unfit to work people not on the lcwra?

    I am on esa and on paper will be better off on lcwra, however if they carry on merging and scrapping things that could be shortlived.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 2,795 Championing

    I totally understand why thier doing it I really do the thing is how would they define the seriousness of MH issues would it actually be in line what The equality Act so I have bpd bdd dyslexia and others things would it be by diagnosis? Or as you say what can you do and some days you can do garden clean house other days completely closed down lost in space for hours depression anxiety ect

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,677 Championing
    edited November 29

    Why are some unfit to work people not on the lcwra?

    I've asked for someone to read the hidden DWP reports which Labour published recently and address this on the forum..

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Contributor
    edited November 29

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    Three fundamental factors that all governments persistently refuse to acknowledge when developing employment policy.

    1. Our economic system has always and will always create pools of unemployment particularly at times of low growth such as we are currently experiencing. Fiddling about with back-to-work schemes without wider structural changes will make only marginal differences against this reality.

    2. Combining back-to-work support with the threat of benefit withdrawal makes those back-to-work schemes even less effective than they otherwise are. People need to feel supported (sometimes in very complex and challenging circumstances) to seek out work effectively, not threatened. The latter experience degrades the former. It’s a classic case of mistakenly thinking ‘do to’ can sit easily alongside ‘do with’.

    3. Many of the jobs unemployed people secure are ‘lousy jobs’. They are demeaning, poorly paid, insecure and often subject to poor or exploitative management. This is a major reason people cycle in and out of work. Again, tweaking back-to-work schemes will not change this reality.

    The Government is taking some very limited steps to address 3. But clearly has no serious interest in 1 apart from launching increasingly shaky efforts to stimulate growth. And, as this article makes clear, seems determined to embed the flaw identified in 2.

    A serious attempt to address unemployment that took these three factors into account would inevitably be far more radical and systemic than the plans the Government is announcing.

    Within the context of such an approach back-to-work schemes could play a genuinely useful role in treating people with the “dignity and respect” Starmer claims to want and finding people jobs that provide the meaningful “life chances” Kendall references.

    hashtag#jobs hashtag#employment hashtag#ukpolitics hashtag#DoWith Tom Pollard

  • Kaliwax
    Kaliwax Online Community Member Posts: 85 Empowering

    The government have been making versions of the Work Program since the 1990s with John Major Community Action/Project Work scheme, and when Labour got in it, it was the whole New Deal, and then the WP in 2011 like you mentioned.

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,945 Championing

    They almost have to reinvent the wheel for those that don't have good enough memories don't they.

    I spoke to someone today who said young people are lazy. How unfair is that to tar everyone with the same brush.

    I wasn't lazy, I did a government scheme. It was that, A levels, retake exams or college. You couldn't be unemployed until 18, I still think that's the case now.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    Used to be 16, when I left in the 80s , I did work part time as that's what they used to do, I lived in the country and got lift to work as no buses went through our village unless you walked over 5 miles in the dark. now it's 18, that they have to be doing something as it changed when my daughter left school. She's 25. Used to be Job Training scheme and Job club at one point. You weren't sanction like you are now.

  • Nashota
    Nashota Online Community Member Posts: 453 Empowering

    Sorry I'm a bit late to the party but I've got a new pup, they're a bit time consuming, plus still trying to deal with the rubbish medical centre and now the idiotic energy company.

    Work on prevention?!?! A lot of my conditions are down to either them being hereditary or due to the abuse that I endured as a child and adult, how would they prevent that then eh!? Prevention..

    I don't agree with it at all.. it's silly to a degree.

    What about them focusing on those who can work but don't want to and I mean fit and healthy people.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 502 Pioneering

    Quite agree, mines autoimmune, genetic and the other one chronic. Why don't they focus on those who are fit but choose not too.